Ashley Judd Says She Met With Her Rapist

[dolem]

Julianne Phillips niece was in my 1st grade class, around 1986. When she was "star of the week" she brought in a picture of Bruce and said, "he's my uncle". We were all starstruck by proxy.

[albatross]

Aug 2, 2022 19:40:40 GMT trixie said:

Ok. But the point is, you have to mention them in the will, correct? By not doing so, they could contest it.

I don't know that you have to mention it in the will. I had heard the stuff about the $1, and I got curious and looked it up, and the articles I found all said the easiest and cleanest way to disinherit someone is to simply state explicitly that you're not leaving them anything. It makes it clear what your intentions are, so nobody could contest on the basis of an oversight. It's probably even more important if you have multiple children/grandchildren, and you leave some out of the will, but include others.

I doubt it completely eliminates possible reasons to challenge a will, but it would eliminate at least one possible challenge.

[trixie]

Yeah I'm no expert on wills, I've only been a beneficiary once and executor/beneficiary once. This leaving the ne'er do well relative out is something you see on tv, usually during a dramatic reading of the will, lol. Or the uber wealthy who put strings on inheritances, like old man Getty who said if someone marrys before age 30 they're disinherited (thinking of Balthalzar's dad, the one who was kidnapped as a teen and married in his 20s and lost his inheritance)

Then there are those like Warren Buffet (I think) who has made it clear he's not leaving his money to his kids. Which I think is his business, but as long as the kids know ahead of time and don't find out until after his death. Which seems to be what has happened here. If those were Naomi's wishes, she should have TOLD her girls, not let them find out this way. And if she didn't mention them at all in her will, that's a slap in their faces, IMO. (And possible grounds to contest if she didn't mention them at all) Larry is in his late 70s, at the very least she could have put in the will that upon his death, the remaining estate goes to her daughters.

As I said, if it were me, I would definitely think about contesting it. Especially if this was a total change to any prior wills. Was she unduly influenced by her husband? Just because witnesses attested she was of sound mind, well, she suffered from depression and her death was a suicide so there's that.

[waterslide]

Aug 2, 2022 17:40:17 GMT trixie said:

Aug 2, 2022 15:35:24 GMT mostroop said:

So what happens to their houses? Do they own them since they were built on the 'family' land, or was the land really Naomi's?

Good question. If you build a house on someone else's land, I would think it belongs to them. Something similar happened when my grandmother sold her house after my grandfather's death and built a new one on my uncle's land. Guess who got the house when she died? She had 2 other children who didn't get shit from that house. 

Hmm, well I would question if she was "of sound mind" since her depression was there in 2017. Not sure if it's true, but I've heard if you want to make it clear that you are intentionally leaving someone out of your will, you should leave them $1. Then it can't be argued that you mistakenly left them out.

I think it's shitty, and extra shitty if the girls didn't know about it or the reasoning behind it (say if Ashley and Wynonna each had more money than their mom and Larry didn't) Was there a will before 2017 and then she changed it? Granted, she was married to Larry for 30+ years but I think most people split the money between spouse and kids if the spouse isn't the bio parent of the kids. 

I did google and saw somewhere that Larry has a daughter from a previous relationship, so does that mean she will inherit it all when Larry dies? He needs to include Naomi's girls in his own will to be fair.

I don't know what their relationship is like with their stepdad, but money changes things, and if it were me, I would at least think about contesting it based on mom's mental illness. 

Yeah, I wasn't sure if Larry would be likely to put Ashley and Wynonna in his will.  I would have to trust someone immensely to do that on my behalf and honestly probably wouldn't bother unless I didn't think my relative was capable of handling the money for whatever reason  

Now I'm wondering if having depression is not considered being of sound mind.  I thought it referred to being incapacitated, senile, delusional, etc. 

I just found this link that pretty well explains it.  And a blurb:

In short, the requirements boil down to: you need to know roughly what you have, who would be expected to receive it and how the estate documents you are signing will affect where things go.

[dolem]

Don't we assume that Wynonna and Ashley are wealthy in their own rights? It isn't as if they should need or depend of an inheritance from their mom.

Is it shitty, maybe? But, maybe they discussed it already and the girls were fine with it?

[trixie]

Yes,

1. this was already discussed as a reason, i.e., maybe the girls are wealthy enough on their own

but,

2. It was implied in the posted article that the girls were blindsided by the will, i.e., Wynonna felt she was in a big way responsible for her mother's wealth

I agree if the girls were aware of it and were ok with it, no issue

[czb]

maybe naomi left them a trust? or gifted them in other ways?

you can't tell everything from a will.

[notoriousmkg]

The house and land things seems really weird to me. Why would you build a house on your mom's land if she has a husband who is not your father? Even with "notorious adverse possession" you aren't allowed to move something that has been built on your property if you waited beyond the statutory limits to take it to court.

[waterslide]

^I don't understand why they live on the same land, but I guess it was for the sake of togetherness?

I agree that it's not an issue if they weren't in fact blindsided. It's not so much the money, but the snub. Daniel Craig recently said he's not leaving grand sums of money to his children - he mentioned it in an interview so I'm fairly certain his kids know that. And that's cool. I think we're all just speculating on whether it was actually a snub or a nothing burger.

[notoriousmkg]

Hey, if Naomi and Larry were so tight, why was Ashley the one who found the body???

[trixie]

^ Yeah, unless the land parcel was split and deeded, the house goes with the land I would think. With my grandmother's house, she didn't know it wasn't her house. She paid the property taxes etc but turns out it was all one parcel (my uncle's house was on the same property) so it would all have to be sold together. Once she found out, she was pretty upset and split some other money between the other 2 kids (my mom and youngest brother) because she know they would not get any portion of the house sale once she died. Goes without saying, my uncle was a real dick.

Re whether she left them a trust etc, I was just going by what the posted article said, that "Wynonna, 58, was reportedly "upset" after learning about the will, especially since they performed as The Judds together for so many years. Wynonna "believes she was a major force behind her mother's success," a source told Radar Online." I dunno, if she left them a trust or gifts or whatever, then why are they bitching about the will. And why didn't they know what was in the will, i.e., not them. 

Aug 2, 2022 18:59:33 GMT -5 notoriousmkg said:

Hey, if Naomi and Larry were so tight, why was Ashley the one who found the body???

Ashley said in her interview with Diane Sawyer that she was there visiting with her mom as she did every day when she was in town. A friend of her mom's came to visit so she went to let the friend in, and when she went back to her mom's room she found her. So it sounds like it was pretty damn quick. No mention if Larry was there or not.

[czb]

^^^ well, i think that (the 'upset' bit) was from a source. but who knows? didn't wynonna already make money off of their recordings??

all i know is that when my mom was writing her will, her attorneys warned her against putting in specifics, like czb gets the family china, annoying son gets the stamp collection, etc. the attorneys said the more details you give, the easier it is to contest. eg, what constitutes the stamp collection? is the family china the same as the every day, or just the china in the cabinet?

i guess i don't see this stuff as that negative. except in the case of my poor mother ... each of her siblings were specfically named in her mom's (my grandmother's) will, saying sister1 gets $x, sister2 gets $y... and then when they got to my mom, momma czb gets $1.

now, that's a BURN.

[waterslide]

^That is a burn.

I think Daniel Craig might have the right idea here...

[czb]

yeah. but i know that from my mother's experience (writing her own will) her stance was very strategic. so unless i hear otherwise, i'll assume naomi's was as well. but my poor mom's experience of only inheriting $1 -compared to her siblings - was transformative and stayed with her throughout her life. but it also made her listen to her attorneys and not make her will an emotional document.

[emkat]

Didn't Winona's next husband get in a motorcycle accident and had to have his leg amputated?