The What NOT to Watch Thread - Here Be Stinkers

[kittylady]

I thought it might be fun - and possibly a public service - for you all to have somewhere to really let loose your inner vicious critic.  Is there a film or tv show that you've watched recently that was so bad that you felt duty bound to warn everyone you know to avoid it like it was herpes lips at a Kissing Booth?  Is it something so dreadful that is even misses the so-bad-that-it's-funny category? Insane casting choices? Actors being outshone by the furniture? Deviating so far from the original source material that you feel it should be subject to legal action under the Trade Descriptions Act? Then this is where you can vent to your disappointed heart's content and hopefully save someone else from wasting an hour of two of their precious time.

I look forward to hearing your dire warnings! 

[no1novice]

Is Persuation going to be the first?

[Pixie]

I'm going to dump The Last Duel here.
Ridley Scott hasn't done anything good in years, but I'm still angry at this one, between the sheer voyeurism of a completely gratuitous rape scene that we see TWICE in exactly the same way, and gratuitous animal cruelty, plus Ben Affleck and Matt Damon and their insufferable accents, I feel sorry for everytbody with a shred of talent that was involved in this mess



ps: I laughed SO HARD at your first post Kitty!
"Actors being outshone by the furniture" XD 

[notoriousmkg]

I saw "The Duel" also. It is the most boring pile of BS I've seen in a long time and everyone involved in making it is the poorer for it. WTF.

"The Empty Man" horror/thriller - seemed really torpid and boring. Every time it comes on cable, it seems like the cast is falling asleep reading their lines.

"Suicide Squad" - completely underlit. I have no idea what's going on unless I turn all the lights off. James Gunn has caught Zach Snyder Syndrome

[Pixie]

Jul 13, 2022 18:39:56 GMT notoriousmkg said:

"Suicide Squad" - completely underlit. I have no idea what's going on unless I turn all the lights off. James Gunn has caught Zach Snyder Syndrome

Being underlit is the least of its flaws.
Everything about that movie is absolute shit, the scenario is dumb to the point of being insulting, the editing makes this nonsense even less coherent, the first half hour looks like a bunch of video clips stuffed together for no reason other than the director thought it would look cool (this film tries way to hard to be cool, and like your dad trying to use young kid slang it fails miserably and just looks try hard out of touch.)
I feel so sorry for Margot Robbie whose talent is absolutely wasted as all the director is interested in, is showing of her ass in those ridiculous shorts. I'm glad she got to be the character again in 2 better movies.

But a propos Zach Znyder, do avoir Sucker Punch like the plague.

[faithanne]

I wasted 6 hours of my life on Behind Her Eyes on Netflix. The first 3 were amazing, and I barely dragged myself away from the TV and couldn't wait to binge the last 3. By the end, I couldn't believe that such a promising beginning turned so shit. I haven't been that disappointed in a series for ages, because the "twist" was so ridiculous that I kept telling myself it wasn't happening.

I also vote The Last Duel. It wasn't just the terrible accents either - what was that mullet they gave Matt Damon? He looked like a retired plumber.

[waterslide]

I didn't mind Behind Her Eyes, but I was using it as Ambien, so my opinion shouldn't be relied on too much.

The Last Duel felt like a bunch of bro dudes got together and went, "Gee, what would it be like if a woman got raped?" and then in the most archaic way possible tried to answer that question without any amount of research or empathy, which I think is basically how that movie came to be. It could have gone so differently...But it didn't and here we are. Regarding the hair, I don't know what was worse, Matt's mullet or Ben's daffodil yellow hair.

I was falling asleep when I saw this thread last night and I have learned not to post when I'm in that state, but I tried to throw Becoming Elizabeth on Starz to the mix. I haven't seen the latest episode, but fuck it's been so bad. It makes The Tudors look like a documentary. It's trying to be modern and rompy, but the main focus of the show is Thomas Seymour trying to bed 13-year-old Elizabeth and it's hard to juxtapose those two things. Katherine Parr is played by Jessica Raine from Call the Midwife and Wolf Hall (I don't think season 2 of that is ever going to happen) and I normally like her, but the writing is all over the place with the character. The entire show kind of goes from inappropriate to cheesy to sentimental to SERIOUS to sexy from one second to the next like they made a script out of spitballing.

[kittylady]

Jul 13, 2022 17:01:59 GMT no1novice said:

Is Persuation going to be the first?

I'm probably going to hate watch it so maybe lol.

[waterslide]

I'm also going to hate watch Persuasion. Too bad we can't get a hate watch party together. lol

[Pixie]

I would definitely be in for a hate watch party XD

[no1novice]

Yep!

[no1novice]

I think that Vogue watched a different film to me but I found the comments from the costumier interesting. Totally missing the point of the main character but interesting.

Anne is not "ahead of her time" otherwise as the daughter of a duke she would not have gone with Lady Russell's advice & rejected Wentworth. She is excruciatingly crippled by the conventions of the time FFS.

The Patti Smith photo referenced below:-

Also by dropping the waist it (imho) make her look "poor" as there was such pressure to "keep up appearances".

Everyone "re-wore" clothes becythey did not have the vast array of clothes now available and they were expensive.

Patti Smith And Debbie Harry Inspired The Romantic Regency Costumes In Persuasion

By Radhika Seth
6 July 2022
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From the delicate romanticism of Keira Knightley’s linen dresses in Joe Wright’s dreamy Pride and Prejudice to the candy-coloured delights in Autumn de Wilde’s Emma, Jane Austen adaptations have long had a track record for delivering memorable fashion moments. So, for costume designer Marianne Agertoft, who was enlisted to create the wardrobe for Netflix’s fresh new take on Persuasion, the pressure was on from the very beginning. Her mission? To reinterpret the classic codes of the Regency period – the Empire line gowns, ruffled sleeves, feather-strewn bonnets – for an adaptation that gleefully rips up the rule book.

Directed by Carrie Cracknell and centred on an ebullient performance from Dakota Johnson, it follows Anne Elliot, a late-twenty-something spinster who, many years ago, was persuaded by her well-meaning godmother Lady Russell (Nikki Amuka-Bird) to break off her engagement with the only man she ever truly loved. When her vain widower father, Sir Walter Elliot (a delightful Richard E Grant), drives their family to financial ruin, they are forced to lease out their lavish estate, Kellynch Hall, and relocate to Bath. At this point, the dashing young lieutenant in question, Captain Wentworth (Cosmo Jarvis), reenters Anne’s life.


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Will the pair reconcile, or will Wentworth, still bruising from her rejection of him, instead pursue one of her sweet-natured sisters-in-law, Louisa and Henrietta (Nia Towle and Izuka Hoyle)? And what about the charming, fortune-seeking Mr Elliot (Henry Golding) who takes an interest in Anne, to the chagrin of her self-obsessed sisters, Elizabeth and Mary (Yolanda Kettle and Mia McKenna-Bruce)?

As in Austen’s source material, there are moments of sombre rumination and devastating heartbreak, but Cracknell imbues the film with raucous humour too, adding side-splitting set pieces and Fleabag-esque monologues to camera. Fittingly, Anne’s costumes have a subtly modern edge too, with louche shirting, muddy boots and looser silhouettes that mark her out as a heroine who was well ahead of her time.


Ahead of the film’s release in cinemas on 8 July and Netflix on 15 July, Agertoft talks us through her favourite looks, the details most viewers will miss, and her eclectic mood board, which featured everyone from Patti Smith to Bruce Springsteen.


You’ve worked on quite a few period dramas before this – Death Comes to Pemberley, Poldark, Les Misérables. What sets Persuasion apart, and how did you get involved?

It came to me via my agent who thought I might be interested. I was sort of not working at the time, but I read the script and thought it was amazing. I met with [director] Carrie [Cracknell] over Zoom and we were on the same page in the sense that we wanted to create this fresh new adaptation and we were equally excited. Visually, there are links between Persuasion and the projects I’ve worked on before, but it did feel different because I have evolved as a designer and I think the world of period dramas has evolved beautifully, too, over the last few years. That meant that we could take things a bit further.




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How do you inject that freshness into a film like this while also keeping everything historically accurate?

We decided early on that we could loosen up on the period accuracy if and when we felt it was necessary. It all started with the mood board. Anne is quite a complex character and after I read the script, I read quite a bit of Patti Smith and thought about that look. It seemed to connect with Anne’s intellectual side, but Anne also has a more adventurous side which I felt like was more Debbie Harry, and there’s also something about her that’s a bit Audrey Hepburn. Austen’s characters internalise a lot of their emotions so it didn’t feel right for us to do anything too stylised or go overboard. We wanted to bring a more contemporary feel to the costumes in quieter ways, and a lot of it was also about the attitude and how the actor wore the garments.


So, with Dakota as Anne, her stompy boots have something of Debbie Harry in them, the shirting is quite Patti Smith and you see Audrey Hepburn in those jackets with the delicate shoulders. With the other characters, there were lots of paintings and references from the period on the mood board, but I also looked at Katharine Hepburn for Lady Russell, Vincent Cassel for Mr Elliot, and Bruce Springsteen and Steve McQueen for Captain Wentworth.



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Nick Wall/Netflix



The colour palette is also quite different from previous Austen adaptations and I think that makes it feel less fussy, too?

Yeah, I think I made everyone a bit nervous because, for Anne, everything was quite dark at the start, but Carrie really went with it. Her daywear is monochromatic because, when we first meet her, she’s gotten a bit stuck in this world of her memories. Then, we brought in more colour, and more jewel tones in particular. That’s not something we’ve seen a lot in Austen adaptations in the past – it’s a bit bolder and some of those colours weren’t really in the palette at that time, but we tried to find moments to bring them in without losing our footing or going too strong. The monochrome then comes back in Bath, when she hears the news of Louisa’s engagement. There’s also quite a bit of transparency in the sleeves of dresses. That is true of the period where people would layer materials like that, but it’s something we maybe haven’t seen a lot in adaptations.
Anne’s look is so different from that of her sisters. What are the specific elements that distinguish it from their style?

When she’s at Kellynch Hall, you get the sense that she doesn’t really fit in that world. I like an Empire line and some of Anne’s dresses have them, but others favour a waistline, like the house coat we often see her in and the linen coat she wears in Lyme. They look more timeless. Lady Russell’s garments often favour a waistline too and I loved the idea of keeping the two of them as these very individual personalities who support and inspire each other. I think Lady Russell has been something of a trendsetter for Anne. One of my favourite costumes in the film is Lady Russell’s gold coat in the opening scene.

Patti Smith And Debbie Harry Inspired The Romantic Regency Costumes In Netflixs ‘Persuasion
Nick Wall/Netflix


The other thing is that Anne’s look is ever so slightly more casual than that of her peers and she rewears things. We become familiar with her favourite pieces, whereas her sisters seem to relish as many changes and as much fuss as possible. One example is Anne’s house coat – she wears it when she’s relaxing at home, so it’s kind of like her tracksuit.
There’s also a locket we see her wearing all the time. What’s the story behind that?

We kept accessories to a minimum, but it’s in the script that Anne has this pendant. It has an image of her mum inside. Mary has a smaller version of it too. Anne’s is this beautiful original piece that we found from the period. It’s her favourite and she wears it all the time, whether you can see it or not. We changed the neck band and used different silks for different costumes, and lengthened the ribbon for when Anne wanted it to be less prominent.

What are some of the other details viewers might not pick up on?

We decided that Anne would wear men’s underwear because women at that time didn’t really have underwear. It’s inspired by the underwear men would have worn in the army and Dakota felt really at home in it. We also gave her the option of short stays or proper corsets and she wanted both. The short stays worked brilliantly for the scenes at home and the corsets were great for the evening.
What about her sisters, Elizabeth and Mary, and her sisters-in-law, Louisa and Henrietta? How did you perfect their aesthetics?

In contrast to Anne, Mary and Elizabeth’s lives revolve around social status and etiquette. Mary loves any opportunity to get dressed up and wants to be the centre of attention. She wears a lot of blues and whites, and is often wrapped in a shawl or scarf because she’s always unwell. Meanwhile, Elizabeth sees herself as the most stylish sister. The dress she wears in the opening scene is beautiful – I found that vintage hand-embroidered silk which was then transformed by cutting and draping. A lot of her garments also match the decor of the room she’s in. There’s a breakfast scene in Bath where she’s in a mint green morning dress which resembles a Georgian vase.


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Then there’s Louisa and Henrietta, who wear soft cottons and linens in ochre, green and sky blue. The cuts of their day dresses are simple and practical, and their evening dresses have a romantic softness with muslin and delicate embroidery. The white dress that Louisa wears in Lyme, when she jumps off the steps, is an example of her dressing as romantically as possible. The lack of an outer garment was a way for us to show that she was feeling carefree but also dangerously overexcited.


Patti Smith And Debbie Harry Inspired The Romantic Regency Costumes In Netflixs ‘Persuasion
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And finally, what about the men, particularly Wentworth and Mr Elliot?

That period was a phenomenal time for menswear. The cuts are flattering and the materials are wonderful to work with. Mr Elliot is suave and his clothes are relaxed but elegant. When we first meet him, he’s wearing this black linen duster coat which has a sheen to it and just flows beautifully. He always wears double waistcoats. While Sir Walter’s tailoring feels very British, Mr Elliot’s is more American. With Wentworth, his wardrobe is minimal by choice and everything is comfortable and weatherworn. When Mr Elliot and Wentworth meet on the clifftop, Wentworth is in this brown duster coat in contrast to Mr Elliot’s black. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly was at the back of my mind for this scene. Mr Elliot’s look is reminiscent of Lee Van Cleef’s and Wentworth’s is reminiscent of Clint Eastwood’s.

Persuasion is in cinemas from 8 July and on Netflix from 15 July.

[waterslide]

So, with Dakota as Anne, her stompy boots have something of Debbie Harry in them, the shirting is quite Patti Smith and you see Audrey Hepburn in those jackets with the delicate shoulders. With the other characters, there were lots of paintings and references from the period on the mood board, but I also looked at Katharine Hepburn for Lady Russell, Vincent Cassel for Mr Elliot, and Bruce Springsteen and Steve McQueen for Captain Wentworth.

Um what?  I think we all saw a different movie than what the costumer did.  So by dressing Anne as boring as possible, they were channeling Patti Smith (everyone who wears a white shirt is Patti Smith now?), Debbie Harry (more like Avril Lavigne), and Audrey Hepburn (?)?  I just don't know what to say about this entire paragraph.  Like these might be an amazing group of people to draw inspiration from, but I don't see it in the movie?  At all?  Is Richard E. Grant not good enough as an actor that they had to steal another actor's look?  Wtf?  And as for the Bruce Springsteen/Steve McQueen mix for Wentworth, I think it was more like Tom Brady and Chris Pratt.  I don't see the connections here. 

Then, we brought in more colour, and more jewel tones in particular. That’s not something we’ve seen a lot in Austen adaptations in the past – it’s a bit bolder and some of those colours weren’t really in the palette at that time

So instead of consulting IMDb for clothing inspiration, she could have tried typing Beau Brummel into google.  In my very, very humble opinion, if we don't see jewel tones in Austen adaptations it's because most of the stories center around unmarried women who did wear lighter colors.  But jewel tones did exist back then?





And was it necessary to make Anne wear men's underwear? I do not understand what is happening.

[Pixie]

OMG, that interview is just so full of crap on so many different levels

[waterslide]

I can't let go of the Blondie comparison. When the fuck did Debbie Harry wear "stompy" boots? I could not imagine it so I googled and found her wearing various thin heels, thigh high boots, sneakers, saddle shoes, regular boots, etc. but no combat-type boots. She may have worn them but that's not what she was known to wear. This person is a moron.