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Post by no1novice on Aug 20, 2022 8:48:44 GMT
I'm sorry what I posted triggers you.
I wasn't because I rationalised it as Jolie wanting to manipulate that viseral gut reaction that people who have been throught this to garner public sympathy & turn public opinion against Pitt.
I have never been a fan of Pitt - let me be clear in that but also I refuse to fall for Jolie's manipulations.
I also reiterate: there are no winners in this, certainly not the children who are the pawns in this whole shit-show.
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Post by mrsfawlty on Aug 20, 2022 12:06:59 GMT
I'm sorry what I posted triggers you. I wasn't because I rationalised it as Jolie wanting to manipulate that viseral gut reaction that people who have been throught this to garner public sympathy & turn public opinion against Pitt. I have never been a fan of Pitt - let me be clear in that but also I refuse to fall for Jolie's manipulations. I also reiterate: there are no winners in this, certainly not the children who are the pawns in this whole shit-show. Hey, Nov, if you're apologising to me, there really is no need but I thank you for your empathy...*hugs*. I got what happened during that plane flight/fight(!) and I think that you really raise an excellent point around the word 'trigger' and how a situation/incident can bring out long-lost, buried feelings. Imagine how Angie's kids must feel having this dragged out in the media? Their pain is back in the front of their minds and it's all because of their mother. She really wasn't thinking that she'd open up a new can of worms for those kids! Hugs also to MsDark |
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Post by Taniwha on Aug 20, 2022 13:10:02 GMT
I am so sorry to all of you who have lived through violence like that, either as a child or partner or parent. How horrific.
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Post by sputnik on Aug 20, 2022 14:14:10 GMT
Exactly. My divorce was pretty much a preemptive move to specifically avoid a situation similar to this, which I could forsee coming. At 15 Jr was witness to an event that made me realize that this timid, non-confrontational kid who if anything was actually a little afraid of his dad, definitely had the balls to rare back and punch him in the face in my defense. It was written all over his face. Even if it meant he had a drunken crazy man twice his size turn on him. And I'm so relieved it never came to that. Because even though he was a foot taller and more than double my weight, if ExMrD ever went for Jr like this I would have had his ass in a chokehold too. And probably sustained more severe injuries than AJ vs Vanilla vodka Pitt. But I wouldn't have given a flying fuck because there's no way in hell you're attacking my kid. Even if you are my kid's sperm donor. Fuck, especially if you are my kid's sperm donor. But you never stopped your son from seeing or having a relationship with his father after the split. keeping a custody battle going when no court has declared the father dangerous to the kids and a judge has accused you of parental alienation makes me wonder if part of the problem isn’t her vindictiveness and control issues that are ultimately being detrimental to her kids even if she thinks she’s protecting them? that’s the part that gives me pause and makes me question her motives, whether conscious or not. |
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Post by MsDark on Aug 20, 2022 16:09:49 GMT
Only because of my particular situation in which I was very fortunate. My foresight also led me to take pre-emptive measures
Even so, I might have prevented his father from having access if he hadn't been living with another divorced male friend of ours who I trusted and who was in the home whenever it was Jr's scheduled weekend to go over there AND had his own kids visiting that weekend in addition.
If it had come to the point where he ever actually attacked Jr (the way Brad did Maddox) then yes, I definitely would not have wanted Jr over there or around his father and would have done whatever I had to do to prevent that from happening. Not until his father had went through some sort of program after which he'd had a considerable amount of time (as in 1-2 years) sober.
Even with my situation I had to pretty much convince (i.e. make) Jr go to see his father during his scheduled weekend because initially he wanted nothing to do with him specifically because of how badly his father behaved the last 1-2 months he was in this home. I made sure he knew that he could call/text me at any time and I would come get him.
His dad is extremely lucky that Jr reluctantly relented and they were able to eventually repair the relationship. But I can tell you right now it has never been the same since. And once he came of age and no longer felt obligated he stopped going over there except for every once in awhile. Since his dad remarried? Even less.
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Post by mel on Aug 20, 2022 16:21:36 GMT
Jolie filed this lawsuit as a Jane Doe and nobody even knew it was her until a Politico reporter stumbled on it. She even asked the judge to seal the contents. She may have been trying to get the report to use in court, but I don't think she was trying to manipulate the public or wanted this all dragged out in the media. That's Brad's line, but I just don't think it's true.
Jolie may be guilty of parental alienation, conscious or not, but I do find it interesting that the three adopted kids want nothing to do with Brad. It may just be because they are the oldest and they get to decide, but some of the details of the plane incident and some of Brad's own comments make me wonder if he treated the adopted kids differently from the biological ones.
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Post by sputnik on Aug 20, 2022 17:55:10 GMT
It’s one thing if the kids genuinely don’t went to see their father but another if one parent is behind that.
And Pitt did complete therapy and treatment for alcohol so there’s no reason that we know of that would prevent him from having a relationship with his kids. And the fbi said none of what’s in this report was news to either Jolie or Pitt or their lawyers so, again, what’s the reason for the lawsuit?
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Post by MsDark on Aug 20, 2022 18:18:59 GMT
I feel for the underage and/or bio kids because if their father "wins" rights to see them then essentially they don't get a choice.
I can't imagine what it did to those kids to witness their own father act like this. Brad ruined his relationship with them over his behavior, not crazy Angie.
Knowing what happened here, I don't blame her one bit for dragging this out until the kids are old enough to decide on their own if they want anything to do with him.
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Post by no1novice on Aug 20, 2022 19:43:50 GMT
It’s one thing if the kids genuinely don’t went to see their father but another if one parent is behind that. And Pitt did complete therapy and treatment for alcohol so there’s no reason that we know of that would prevent him from having a relationship with his kids. And the fbi said none of what’s in this report was news to either Jolie or Pitt or their lawyers so, again, what’s the reason for the lawsuit? Also all of his early visit were completed with a monitor/witness/social worker and eventually the judge gave him 50-50 custody with Jolie. Apparently the FBI report went to both parties and was discussed in court. So neither party should be surprised with this. |
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Post by sputnik on Aug 21, 2022 0:01:38 GMT
^^^
This.
I get wanting to sever your kids’ ties with your kids’ father if he continues to be abusive or a drunk but if they’ve gotten treatment and changed their behaviour and it’s been documented and approved by the court, why wouldn’t you want your kids to forgive past behaviour and move in from it and have a healthy relationship with their father, other than vindictiveness/control?
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Post by kittylady on Aug 21, 2022 0:05:39 GMT
Exactly. My divorce was pretty much a preemptive move to specifically avoid a situation similar to this, which I could forsee coming. At 15 Jr was witness to an event that made me realize that this timid, non-confrontational kid who if anything was actually a little afraid of his dad, definitely had the balls to rare back and punch him in the face in my defense. It was written all over his face. Even if it meant he had a drunken crazy man twice his size turn on him. And I'm so relieved it never came to that. Because even though he was a foot taller and more than double my weight, if ExMrD ever went for Jr like this I would have had his ass in a chokehold too. And probably sustained more severe injuries than AJ vs Vanilla vodka Pitt. But I wouldn't have given a flying fuck because there's no way in hell you're attacking my kid. Even if you are my kid's sperm donor. Fuck, especially if you are my kid's sperm donor. But you never stopped your son from seeing or having a relationship with his father after the split. keeping a custody battle going when no court has declared the father dangerous to the kids and a judge has accused you of parental alienation makes me wonder if part of the problem isn’t her vindictiveness and control issues that are ultimately being detrimental to her kids even if she thinks she’s protecting them?
that’s the part that gives me pause and makes me question her motives, whether conscious or not. There's all the other stuff that has raised eyebrows about the Jolie-Pitt parenting over the years that all seems to have been forgotten now. The stream of nannies that quit because of the lack of discipline and boundaries, the other nannies that were dismissed every six months so the children wouldn't get too attached to them, the stories that the kids were encouraged to stick with their siblings rather than make friends outside of the family unit... And as far as the Columbine Kid comment, yeah I can see it, especially when you have Angie on record boasting in interviews about encouraging Maddox to collect guns and knives and taking him for his first visit to buy a knife before (I think) he was even in his teens. The Jolie-Pitt children are going to need a LOT of therapy over the years to come and most of it will probably have more to do with their odd, almost cultish upbringing rather then their parent's divorce. And just for the record I'm not a fan of either Jolie or Pitt. I wouldn't walk across a room to make a special point of watching a film with either of them in it so I don't have a dog in this fight. I just don't think one being an arsehole instantly wipes the slate clean for the other. Edit sputnik I'll keep saying this over and over until I run out of breath - Jolie is trying to recreate her own perception of her childhood through her children with the wicked, absent father and the devoted sainted mother who only needs her children and her children only need her and each other. |
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Post by trixie on Aug 21, 2022 5:02:16 GMT
Well, I found it kinda interesting that during this alleged ruckus on the plane, Pitt was yelling “You’re f-king up this family” and then, “‘No, Mommy’s not OK. She’s ruining this family. She’s crazy,’”
Safe to say they'd been having some disputes on parenting?
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Post by mel on Aug 21, 2022 16:11:20 GMT
I raised my eyebrows at the rumors of the Jolie/Pitt parenting over the years, but I have to say the kids have surprised me. It's incredibly hard to get into one of the SKY universities in South Korea, and I didn't think Maddox would be able to stick it out, but he's still there. Now Zahara is going off to Spelman. I'm not sure if Pax is in college or not. I didn't think Angelina would let them leave the nest, but she has and unlike many Hollywood spawn, they are actually prioritizing education. Despite their odd upbringing, they seem to be doing well, meeting new people and apparently fitting in.
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Post by no1novice on Aug 21, 2022 16:11:54 GMT
Well, I found it kinda interesting that during this alleged ruckus on the plane, Pitt was yelling “You’re f-king up this family” and then, “‘No, Mommy’s not OK. She’s ruining this family. She’s crazy,’” Safe to say they'd been having some disputes on parenting? didn't they always? She thrived on chaos & he (allegedly) wanted more structure but she "won". |
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Post by waterslide on Aug 21, 2022 23:03:44 GMT
She is a queen & mistress of chaos. I think Brad likes to hang out on the wild side, but isn't really as into it as he thinks he's going to be. They always were kind of an odd pairing to me, but that's beside the point at this late date. I would like to think that he's gotten help and he's grown and that he can mend at least some of the issues with his kids. Agree that Angelina is not really helping that along.
As for the kids, as an outsider looking in, their childhoods seemed like pure chaos to me, but I guess they got some schooling in somewhere. I think it's great they all seem to be pursuing what makes them happy and that they're going to college and all that.
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