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Post by greysfang on Dec 31, 2022 2:53:03 GMT
I don’t remember which girl it was, but she’s believed to have been the target because her wounds were the most vicious of all of them. So either he was stalking her or she looks like someone he would have really liked to have killed.
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Post by trixie on Dec 31, 2022 5:11:24 GMT
I wouldn't doubt that at all, it was mentioned one of them was being stalked but this may or may not be that person. If it was a party house, maybe he was there before and no one thought anything of it even if they didn't know him. Maybe he was casing the joint and picking his victims. I'm hearing now that they found his DNA, but no criminal record (?) so they traced him from one of those geneology websites. Also he owned a white Elantra like was seen on surveillance around the time of the murders.
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Post by Pixie on Dec 31, 2022 9:46:32 GMT
Holy shit what kind of weirdo posts that survey on Reddit? I'm sure there was no motive as well, except "let's try and see if I can get away with it", he would definitely have continued if not caught. Those poor students  |
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Post by thejackiedaytona on Dec 31, 2022 14:45:18 GMT
Dennis Reynolds from IASIP.
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Post by daphodil on Dec 31, 2022 18:37:19 GMT
^^ I agree there's probably no "motive" per se, meaning he most likely had no personal connection to any of them. He might have watched them, stalked them, but didn't know them. Bundy never killed anyone he knew either, and it was more wrong place wrong time for the victims. I also agree that given what he was studying, he had some weird fascinations or maybe was trying to gain some insight into his own murderous urges. It will be interesting to learn more about this guy Studying for a Masters in Criminology but was caught with DNA evidence. Guess he missed that chapter. |
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Post by dolem on Dec 31, 2022 20:10:30 GMT
This guy was pretty bold, continued attending classes for criminal justice even after the murders. That picture is giving off Dennis from It's Always Sunny when he comes out from the school dance and says "I like to bind, I like to BE bound", it's amazing and you can watch it here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3EVQnpQWs |
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Post by kittylady on Dec 31, 2022 23:35:18 GMT
I wouldn't doubt that at all, it was mentioned one of them was being stalked but this may or may not be that person. If it was a party house, maybe he was there before and no one thought anything of it even if they didn't know him. Maybe he was casing the joint and picking his victims. I'm hearing now that they found his DNA, but no criminal record (?) so they traced him from one of those geneology websites. Also he owned a white Elantra like was seen on surveillance around the time of the murders. A bar owner has come forward and claims that they flagged this guy on their system after he was rude to their waitresses after asking them out. There's also suggestions that he was a regular at the restaurant where two of the victims worked and former/current classmates have said he was somewhat quiet and became more isolated from classmates after making anti-LGBTQ comments. I still stand by my thoughts that he did it to see if he could get away with it, but it's sounding like we can add a dose of Incel to the mix too. ^^ I agree there's probably no "motive" per se, meaning he most likely had no personal connection to any of them. He might have watched them, stalked them, but didn't know them. Bundy never killed anyone he knew either, and it was more wrong place wrong time for the victims. I also agree that given what he was studying, he had some weird fascinations or maybe was trying to gain some insight into his own murderous urges. It will be interesting to learn more about this guy Studying for a Masters in Criminology but was caught with DNA evidence. Guess he missed that chapter. A lot of Criminology focuses on the psychology and sociology behind criminals rather than the physical forensics - how do they develop, what motivations they have, how to spot the patterns/escalations in offending behaviour etc. It's entirely possible that a combination of arrogance and some ignorance about physical forensics lead to him leaving trace amounts of DNA at the scene. There's a thing in forensic science known as Locard's Principle, that says that there will always be some exchange of particles/trace evidence when a crime is committed. It's a lot harder than people realise to leave zero trace evidence, it's just a matter of the investigators and science being able to find it and make a match. |
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Post by daphodil on Jan 1, 2023 2:38:39 GMT
Studying for a Masters in Criminology but was caught with DNA evidence. Guess he missed that chapter. A lot of Criminology focuses on the psychology and sociology behind criminals rather than the physical forensics - how do they develop, what motivations they have, how to spot the patterns/escalations in offending behaviour etc. It's entirely possible that a combination of arrogance and some ignorance about physical forensics lead to him leaving trace amounts of DNA at the scene. There's a thing in forensic science known as Locard's Principle, that says that there will always be some exchange of particles/trace evidence when a crime is committed. It's a lot harder than people realise to leave zero trace evidence, it's just a matter of the investigators and science being able to find it and make a match. I get it - I, too, have studied criminology. It was mostly just a joke. |
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Post by shellee on Jan 1, 2023 7:18:59 GMT
Dennis Reynolds from IASIP. Totally Dennis Reynolds. He’s my least favorite on Its always Sunny. |
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Post by dksnj on Jan 1, 2023 15:55:26 GMT
Bryan Kohberger stalked Idaho victims before murders, wore gloves in grocery store weeks afterward: report
By Jesse O’Neill
January 1, 2023 10:38am Updated
The criminology student accused of slaying four University of Idaho students had stalked his alleged victims before the November murders and wore gloves in a supermarket weeks afterwards, according to a new report.
Cellphone data shows that Bryan Kohberger, 28, was often in the same location as the three sorority sisters and one of their boyfriends before he allegedly slashed them to death as they apparently slept at an off campus house, a source close to one of the case’s investigators told The Daily Mail.
Kohberger also seemed to be careful about not leaving fingerprints in public even as he fled to his native state of Pennsylvania in recent days, the anonymous source told the outlet Sunday.
“He’s not stupid and has been very careful,” said the source, who claimed to be “good friends” with one of the cops who had surveilled the murder suspect in the days before his arrest.
His mugshot
Bryan Kohberger was often in the same location as Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin before he allegedly stabbed them to death.
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“He followed him into a Giant [Pennsylvania grocery store chain] and wore gloves the entire time,” the source reportedly said of his investigator pal.
“Not sure if they ever interacted – but his cell phone pings followed their every move for weeks,” the source reportedly said of Kohberger’s alleged stalking.
Roommates Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Kernodle’s boyfriend Ethan Chapin, 20, were killed in the women’s apartment in the early morning hours of Nov. 13 after a night out in the college town of Moscow, Idaho.
Kohberger, who was arrested Friday in a pre-dawn raid at his parent’s house in a gated community in Albrightsville, Pa., had local ties to the Mail’s source, according to the report. The man’s sister and aunts and uncles live near the accused killer — who purportedly allegedly attended school with the source’s cousin.
“I’ve been so invested in this case the last 6 weeks, and to find out how close he is to us – and that one of our friends found him and arrested him is just crazy,” the source reportedly said.
Kohberger had continued to serve as a teacher’s assistant at the university before driving his white Hyundai Elantra across the country in the days before Christmas with suspicious cops hot on his trail.
Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves and their roommates were allegedly murdered with a fixed blade knife that has not yet been recovered by police.
His father — who is not said to be a suspect — had flown to Idaho to make the 2,500 mile drive with his son after Kohberger completed his first semester of the PhD program at the university, the suspect’s lawyer said.
Kohberger was on suicide watch at the Monroe County Correctional Facility, where he was being held without bail ahead of a Tuesday extradition hearing.
The suspect was “eager to be exonerated” and intended to waive his right to a hearing to expedite his return to Moscow to face four murder charges, Monroe County Chief Public Defender Jason LaBar told CNN.
Brian Kohberger.Brian Kohberger was arrested Friday in a pre-dawn raid at his parent’s house in a gated community in Albrightsville, Pa.
The murder weapon in the case — a fixed blade knife — had not yet been recovered, according to investigators.
Kohberger, who was described as “super awkward” and “a little off” by students in the criminal justice and criminology department, did not change his routine or behavior in the weeks following the murders, Fox 13 Seattle reported.
Cops had honed in on DNA evidence and Kohberger’s car, which was seen near the site of the gruesome murders, to link the suspect to the crime, according to CNN.
The undisclosed forensic evidence was linked to the suspect after it was run through a public database, two law enforcement sources told the network Saturday.
The FBI then tracked the grad student for four days before making an arrest while it worked with local law enforcement to develop enough probable cause to obtain a warrant, the sources reportedly said.
Despite reportedly wearing gloves while shopping and adopting a business-as-usual routine in the classroom, Kohberger’s “arrogance” may have created a DNA trail that led police to the suspect, experts believed.
“If somebody like this was really a student of criminal justice and criminology, then he would understand certain things like Locard’s Exchange Principle,” Prof. Joseph Giacalone, a retired NYPD detective sergeant who teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, told The Daily Beast Saturday.
The principal he referred to is a forensic theory that states “every contact leaves a trace.”
“It shows you the arrogance of people like him, where he thinks he’s smarter than the cops because he read something in a book,” Giacalone reportedly said. “At the end of the day, experience trumps academics every day of the week and twice on Sunday.”
“It will be really interesting to find out, as we go, if he came prepared,” added the expert.
“Did he wear gloves, a Tyvek suit, what was he doing to not get caught? Was he covering his hair? Did he wear booties over his shoes, knowing that he’s going to be stepping in a lot of blood? Those are behavioral aspects, where [prosecutors] can say, ‘This was well thought-out and planned.”
The suspect’s educational track have led some to speculate if he was studying to be able to become a better violent criminal, which Giacalone reportedly said was possible but rare.
In the spring, Kohberger had reportedly asked for volunteers to speak about their “most recent criminal offense,” and “thoughts and feelings throughout [the] experience,” as part of his research.
At Pleasant Valley High School in Pennsylvania a decade ago — where the suspect had recently worked as a part-time security guard — Kohberger had been mocked by classmates for being socially inept and overweight, classmates told Fox News Digital.
Here’s the latest coverage on the brutal killings of four college friends:
“It was bad,” former classmate Sarah Healey told the outlet, explaining that some girls in her class would throw things at him.
“There was definitely something off about him, like we couldn’t tell exactly what it was. It was just weird. But Bryan was bullied a lot, and I never got a chance to say something to defend him, because he would always run away.”
The suspect then shed weight before his senior year and became an aggressive bully himself by the end of high school, a former friend said.
The once overweight teen had developed “very, very weird” eating habits, his one-time aunt told The Post Friday.
“It was above and beyond being vegan,” said the woman, who was once married into his family and wished to remain anonymous.
“His aunt and uncle had to buy new pots and pans because he would not eat from anything that had ever had meat cooked in them. He seemed very OCD [obsessive-compulsive disorder].”
Kohberger also had made “creepy comments” to female staff at a brewery near his hometown and once called a worker “a b—h” for rejecting his advances, the proprietor told NBC.
Family members of the victims told The Post Friday that his arrest had brought them a level a of comfort.
“Of course we’re relieved,” Cheryl Goncalves, Kaylee’s grandmother said.
“This is what we wanted … We wanted him caught and now we want justice.”
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Post by sputnik on Jan 1, 2023 16:35:29 GMT
i feel less weird about finding the killer attractive since i think both sisto and falchuk are hot. I'm thinking more like young Jeremy Sisto: This is him. I feel like he reminds me of someone famous but I can't think who.  Brad Falchuk - Goop's husband |
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Post by lindsaywhit on Jan 1, 2023 17:11:25 GMT
Dennis Reynolds from IASIP. Totally Dennis Reynolds. He’s my least favorite on Its always Sunny.   Yeah, that's pretty close. Obviously, I'm in no way making excuses for what this guy did, but bullying causes so much anger, pain, and major mental issues. It's one of the many things we need to come to grips with in the US - is it as prevalent elsewhere? This guy may have been twisted from birth, the bullying may have been the result of a subconscious revulsion to the twisted psyche that was already there - I don't know, but it's a part of so much of terrorism in this country that we need, as a society, to address it. Which honestly seems impossible right now. |
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Post by notoriousmkg on Jan 1, 2023 18:37:28 GMT
I think it's too early to draw any conclusions about this guy's motives. What really stands out to me is how highly educated this guy is - like a Hannibal Lechter crossed with Leopold and Loeb.
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Post by shellee on Jan 2, 2023 1:40:54 GMT
Thanks Linds for the Dennis reynolds picture comparison. Ugh, so close.
Also, I forgot to add that I was confused when they said he was arrested in Monroe county because that’s the county I live in, except in Florida.
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Post by lindsaywhit on Jan 2, 2023 17:57:57 GMT
 The daughter of serial killer Dennis Rader believes that Idaho quadruple-murder suspect could have had contact with her father after 'close' relationship with criminology professor was revealed. Kerri Rawson, daughter of Rader - who is better known as the BTK killer - said it was 'possible' that there had been letters between her father and Bryan Kohberger. The 28-year-old was arrested on Friday and charged with four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary. It comes after a manhunt of over a month for the killer behind the brutal deaths of Ethan Chapin, 20, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Madison Mogen, 21, in Moscow, Idaho. Rawson told NewsNation she fears that Kohberger could have been inContact with her father, after discovering that he had been taught by Dr Katherine Ramsland while at DeSales University. Ramsland has declined to comment on the arrest but spent decades researching serial killers and mass murderers - writing both 'The Mind of a Murderer' and 'How to Catch a Killer'. Radar connection
Sorry - linking from the DM is beyond my limited capabilities, but this is so horrific. BTK has always been the serial killer that scared me the most. |
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