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Post by loftybike on Oct 8, 2022 18:07:13 GMT
^^^THIS!
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Post by dexter7 on Oct 8, 2022 18:45:18 GMT
Well, I don't see how him suing her for selling her half of the winery without his consent has anything to do with "the incident" except that she wants to find any way to bring it up. Legal systems abuse, or the use of litigation to coerce, intimidate or harass the victim, is a form of post separation abuse. This is the damn truth. And because most humans are decent and believe a parent won't extensively fight for a child unless they love them, it is allowed. Abusers fight not for their children, but as a way to keep control. |
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Post by ravenna on Oct 8, 2022 20:20:34 GMT
It's been going on longer than the marriage, but not longer than the relationship. The marriage only lasted about 2 years. But the entire relationship, including the marriage, lasted 12 years. (2004-2016) The twins are 14. If the divorce drags out the length of the relationship they'll be 20. Once they're of age (which I assume is 18) if this shit hasn't already been settled by then I predict it won't take long after. I know people probably don't want to think this could be true since everybody loves the shit out of Brad and thinks he's a great guy, and probably even more people than love Brad think Angie a vindictive crazy-bitch, going all the way back from the time these two initially hooked up (or even long before, when she "stole" SillyBob from Laura Dern) but I really think this is the truth. Unfortunately. I feel for the kids. Especially Maddox. I'm pretty sure he was the one who got the worst of it. Angelina is a She Devil. I think she might have pushed Brad over the edge at some point in their relationship Just try to imagine what it was like to be Angelina and the children on that plane. Try to process what a frightening and dehumanizing experience it is to be choked, struck, mandhandled and pushed into a wall by someone who is supposed to love you, and to watch it happening to people you love. Really try to put yourself in their shoes. Then come back and tell us how this was all Angelina's fault instead of Brad's. |
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Post by ❤️ NickiDrea ❤️ on Oct 8, 2022 21:33:12 GMT
Whatever happened to their custody battle? If this happened with FBI reports, I’d assume it was litigated before the judge and all of them would have qualified for a restraining order too. I don’t pay much attention to them, where are they in the custody proceedings? Moreover this is not a family incident, it’s a criminal incident and it’s the federal government that prosecutes (aircraft jurisdiction), she doesn’t get to press charges or refuse to press charges, it’s automatic. I’d like to know more about what happened here.
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Post by mel on Oct 8, 2022 22:59:04 GMT
The FBI apparently drew up a statement of probable cause to charge Pitt for the plane incident. After meeting with an assistant U.S. attorney, they declined to pursue charges for whatever reason. I don't think there has been any movement in the custody case since the judge was removed for failing to disclose all of the business he had with Pitt's lawyers. The twins are 14 now and can decide for themselves whether to see Pitt, so it might be pretty much over.
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Post by no1novice on Oct 8, 2022 23:57:12 GMT
Whatever happened to their custody battle? If this happened with FBI reports, I’d assume it was litigated before the judge and all of them would have qualified for a restraining order too. I don’t pay much attention to them, where are they in the custody proceedings? Moreover this is not a family incident, it’s a criminal incident and it’s the federal government that prosecutes (aircraft jurisdiction), she doesn’t get to press charges or refuse to press charges, it’s automatic. I’d like to know more about what happened here. FBI didn't prosecute & DFS (or is it DCS) investigated & didn't prosecute. Initial visitation was with a court monitor but then after the appropriate number of appointments it was recinded. Judge warned Jolie against parental alienation & Jolie accused him of not declaring interests but he'd been fine up to that point. Pitt was being considered for % of custody All parties have allegedly had access to this data for the six years (since 2016) that the divorce has been going on. |
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Post by mostroop on Oct 9, 2022 3:59:56 GMT
It's been going on longer than the marriage, but not longer than the relationship. The marriage only lasted about 2 years. But the entire relationship, including the marriage, lasted 12 years. (2004-2016) The twins are 14. If the divorce drags out the length of the relationship they'll be 20. Once they're of age (which I assume is 18) if this shit hasn't already been settled by then I predict it won't take long after. I know people probably don't want to think this could be true since everybody loves the shit out of Brad and thinks he's a great guy, and probably even more people than love Brad think Angie a vindictive crazy-bitch, going all the way back from the time these two initially hooked up (or even long before, when she "stole" SillyBob from Laura Dern) but I really think this is the truth. Unfortunately. I feel for the kids. Especially Maddox. I'm pretty sure he was the one who got the worst of it. Angelina is a She Devil. I think she might have pushed Brad over the edge at some point in their relationship If the report is true, there is never an excuse to put your hands on a mate (anyone really), unless it's in self defense. |
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Post by no1novice on Oct 9, 2022 11:09:06 GMT
Angelina is a She Devil. I think she might have pushed Brad over the edge at some point in their relationship there is never an excuse to put your hands on a mate (anyone really), unless it's in self defense. And there is the crux of it. She has thrown everything at Pitt in the divorce but this has only just come out? Jolie also has a history of being sly & vindictive with her PR. She knows exactly which buttons to push to get sympathy on her "side". The divorce has take 6 years so far - with this evidence it would be a slam-dunk. So - regardless of the emotional buttons - I am trying to consider the source. Don't get me wrong - I have no love of Pitt & his lack of personality and missing "sensitivity chip"; he is likely quite the arsehole - I am just trying to question this and not be manipulated. If this is true, Pitt should not have any custody/visitation - which he currently does. |
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Post by mel on Oct 9, 2022 16:15:08 GMT
Personally, I think it is true. It explains a lot. It's not just her word vs. his. There were witnesses, both the kids and third parties. She's not going to lie and put something down in court documents that doesn't match the FBI report. I don't think it's suspicious that it's just coming out now. I do think Angelina is a decent mom who was trying to protect the kids by not talking about what happened on the plane, but the kids are older now and Brad pushed the issue with the lawsuit.
I know a woman whose drunk husband kicked the shit out of her eight-month pregnant body, was arrested, went to rehab, and then continued to abuse both her and the kid before she finally left. He punished her for leaving by putting her through a custody trial and wound up with visitation. I don't think it's surprising that rich and famous Brad Pitt has custody/visitation even if the details of the plane incident are true, especially if it was the first time he touched the kids and he was never abusive when sober.
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Post by MsDark on Oct 9, 2022 19:23:38 GMT
And considering he made a public show of admitting to a problem with alcohol, expressing remorse and going to rehab. For a celeb this is more than enough to not only get visitation rights, but not lose your fans and your career. Of course, a few smear stories thrown in for good measure painting your ex (who people already dislike due to a past history that includes lots of weirdness and wild/crazy behavior, including "man-stealing") as a vindictive bitch with a screw loose doesn't hurt your cause either.
Since Brad is the one with deeper pockets, if anyone's PR is capable of doubling down on the sly and vindictive, it's his. With the added bonus of his Golden Boy rep making people less likely to think him capable of this.
Regardless of how anyone sees AJ, I don't see how anyone could take up for Brad after what he did. Even if the plane incident was the first. And FWIW, I don't think the plane incident was the first abusive incident. Just the worst. Or maybe the first incident that resulted in actual physical assault. But you don't just go from nothing to the kind of shit that happened on this plane. I'd bet my money he's at least come close to this prior. Just maybe not while everyone was trapped on a plane together without the ability to exit/physically separate (to allow for a cooling down period) in order to keep something like this from resulting.
Didn't the plane also land somewhere to refuel and his drunk ass lost it and jumped off the tarmac and tried to drive off in a truck? I wonder how much it cost to have his legal team get him out of any FAA charges? I hope Angie was still huddled up with the kids in the plane when that happened and they didn't have to see their daddy doing this crazy shit too.
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Post by cornflakegrl on Oct 9, 2022 20:35:09 GMT
The problem with these celeb divorces is that BOTH are well schooled in PR machinations. I can't get onboard with either story as the truth.
What we do know is the incident was investigated by federal authorities, family services and of course, has been before a judge for six years who has, per reports, read the children's statements and heard from a fuckton of witnesses. I put more weight on that then PR stories and/or the celebs themselves.
The bottom line is: do I believe Brad is a physical threat to his children? I don't. I would if the authorities had thought so, but they clearly didn't. So if he's not a current threat, he should be banned from his children forever?
If Britney's parent's are to blame for her not getting proper therapy to learn to function as an adult, then how come that standard isn't applied here to Angelina? Could the children not have received counseling? Could there not have been controlled visits and perhaps family therapy to heal the rift that happened on that plane? Instead we have this shitshow where the children are used as pawns to satisfy the adults.
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Post by MsDark on Oct 9, 2022 21:39:32 GMT
I think I'd be wary of my kids being alone with any man who'd do this to/in front of our kids. Even if it was a one time thing.
I was wary of Jr visiting his dad just going off the behavior Jr witnessed his dad exhibit toward ME, which *almost* resulted in a physical altercation between Jr and his dad. Thankfully ExMrD didn't cross the line Brad did. I had to have a talk with Jr just to bring him around to going over to his dad's at all. I let him know he could call me and I'd come get him at any time. There was also going to be another adult present in the home.
I don't know the extent of therapy for the J-P kids, but Brad's had supervised weekly visitation for years involving therapists. So obviously there was some concern. Otherwise he would have easily been able to get joint custody from the get go.
The kids who are of age and have a choice in the matter have nothing to do with him. They do with their mother, still.
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Post by firebrat1229 on Oct 10, 2022 14:25:48 GMT
It's been going on longer than the marriage, but not longer than the relationship. The marriage only lasted about 2 years. But the entire relationship, including the marriage, lasted 12 years. (2004-2016) The twins are 14. If the divorce drags out the length of the relationship they'll be 20. Once they're of age (which I assume is 18) if this shit hasn't already been settled by then I predict it won't take long after. I know people probably don't want to think this could be true since everybody loves the shit out of Brad and thinks he's a great guy, and probably even more people than love Brad think Angie a vindictive crazy-bitch, going all the way back from the time these two initially hooked up (or even long before, when she "stole" SillyBob from Laura Dern) but I really think this is the truth. Unfortunately. I feel for the kids. Especially Maddox. I'm pretty sure he was the one who got the worst of it. Angelina is a She Devil. I think she might have pushed Brad over the edge at some point in their relationship The battle-cry of abusive assholes everywhere. "She drove me to it!" Not sure which is worse - trolling some bullshit like this or if you actually believe it. Either way, FUCK right off. Twice. |
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Post by notoriousmkg on Oct 10, 2022 15:52:55 GMT
I think I'd be wary of my kids being alone with any man who'd do this to/in front of our kids. Even if it was a one time thing. I was wary of Jr visiting his dad just going off the behavior Jr witnessed his dad exhibit toward ME, which *almost* resulted in a physical altercation between Jr and his dad. Thankfully ExMrD didn't cross the line Brad did. I had to have a talk with Jr just to bring him around to going over to his dad's at all. I let him know he could call me and I'd come get him at any time. There was also going to be another adult present in the home. I don't know the extent of therapy for the J-P kids, but Brad's had supervised weekly visitation for years involving therapists. So obviously there was some concern. Otherwise he would have easily been able to get joint custody from the get go. The kids who are of age and have a choice in the matter have nothing to do with him. They do with their mother, still. I don't know what's going to happen here, but I'm interested to see what happens if any of them want to pursue a career in Hollywood. Being on good terms with Pitt would open a lot of doors - and at this point, more doors that Jolie could open. Also, in my personal life, I've been amazed (and I mean that in a neutral way) at children's capacity to forgive and (seemingly) forget the egregious crap that their parents did to them. I have some cousins who I literally watched get whipped with a big-ass belt by my uncle. The guy cheated on the mom right and left, too. But when he died, you would have sworn he was the best dad ever by the stuff some of his kids wrote about him. |
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Post by no1novice on Oct 10, 2022 16:05:27 GMT
I think I'd be wary of my kids being alone with any man who'd do this to/in front of our kids. Even if it was a one time thing. I was wary of Jr visiting his dad just going off the behavior Jr witnessed his dad exhibit toward ME, which *almost* resulted in a physical altercation between Jr and his dad. Thankfully ExMrD didn't cross the line Brad did. I had to have a talk with Jr just to bring him around to going over to his dad's at all. I let him know he could call me and I'd come get him at any time. There was also going to be another adult present in the home. I don't know the extent of therapy for the J-P kids, but Brad's had supervised weekly visitation for years involving therapists. So obviously there was some concern. Otherwise he would have easily been able to get joint custody from the get go. The kids who are of age and have a choice in the matter have nothing to do with him. They do with their mother, still. I don't know what's going to happen here, but I'm interested to see what happens if any of them want to pursue a career in Hollywood. Being on good terms with Pitt would open a lot of doors - and at this point, more doors that Jolie could open. Also, in my personal life, I've been amazed (and I mean that in a neutral way) at children's capacity to forgive and (seemingly) forget the egregious crap that their parents did to them. I have some cousins who I literally watched get whipped with a big-ass belt by my uncle. The guy cheated on the mom right and left, too. But when he died, you would have sworn he was the best dad ever by the stuff some of his kids wrote about him. I think that normalising these things is ... Well... Normal. It's a human response. But at this point I think that both of these idiots suck. |
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