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Post by constancespry on Apr 29, 2024 20:39:56 GMT
This won’t end well!
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Post by beeyotch on Apr 30, 2024 2:57:28 GMT
a lot of what went on in that conservatorship is basically medical abuse and didn't help her be in a better place after, or during. or more willing to trust doctors and seek help on her own, either. her father's an abusive alcoholic with rage issues who tormented the family throughout most of britney's youth. and it's not just britney saying that. he never should have been put in charge of her personal, medical and economic wellbeing. Yes, but even so. All this really shows is the tragedy of not being able to help a seriously mentally ill adult, especially one in charge of their own sizeable, even if dwindling, fortune. I think a lot of people meant well, but she was never in a position to know when to accept help or whose help to accept. She is not just a girl or woman, she's an industry, a target. It's why a third party like the state has to step in. |
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Post by sputnik on Apr 30, 2024 4:47:19 GMT
a lot of what went on in that conservatorship is basically medical abuse and didn't help her be in a better place after, or during. or more willing to trust doctors and seek help on her own, either. her father's an abusive alcoholic with rage issues who tormented the family throughout most of britney's youth. and it's not just britney saying that. he never should have been put in charge of her personal, medical and economic wellbeing. Yes, but even so. All this really shows is the tragedy of not being able to help a seriously mentally ill adult, especially one in charge of their own sizeable, even if dwindling, fortune. I think a lot of people meant well, but she was never in a position to know when to accept help or whose help to accept. She is not just a girl or woman, she's an industry, a target. It's why a third party like the state has to step in. step in, fine, but don't make things even worse. she never should have been left at the mercy of her family, and especially not her abusive, alcoholic father, especially given that so much of what's wrong with her can be traced back to her parents and the toxic household she grew up in. but going even further back in the family history, beyond jamie's alcoholism and history of abuse of his own family. his own father was abusive, and had two wives committed to mental hospitals, including britney's grandmother, who he had committed after one of her babies died at 3 days after he was born, and who committed atsuicide after being released from the hospital. two of jamie's brothers ended up homeless and with criminal records. but somehow a judge thought jamie's bankrupt, abusive, alcoholic ass was the right choice for conservator? there is so much wrong with what happened to her. and now people are mad that a mentally ill woman isn't taking responsibility and behaving like a non-mentally ill woman when she's been failed every step of the way starting with her parents, her siblings, her boyfriends and husbands, managers, handlers, etc. she never stood a chance. nypost.com/2021/10/09/britney-spears-family-has-dark-history-of-locking-women-up/ |
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Post by notoriousmkg on Apr 30, 2024 15:09:39 GMT
Maybe Jamie is bankrupt now, but he wasn't when the conservatorship started. They had a family home, and he had a job. As far as I have seen, he was not involved in her career in any way until then. Previously, it was Lynn.
It's a good question on how and why a judge granted the conservatorship to her father. Clearly, it didn't have to be him since it was eventually transferred to someone else.
There's a lot we don't know about Britney's actual issues. What kind of mental illness she is suffering from - if any. Was it something she always had, or something that emerged later - like in 2008 when she was involuntarily hospitalized. What kind of medication she is prescribed, and whether she takes it regularly. Her behavior is kooky, but not outrageous - most criticism of her seems to be concern trolling. Other celebs have equally messy families. I think Amanda Bynes' situation is way worse.
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Post by sputnik on Apr 30, 2024 15:14:52 GMT
^^^^ nope, he was having money issues right before putting her under conservatorship and the bankruptcy was before too. he made bank during the years he had control of her finances. and lynn stupidly took him back after they'd split up for years, and they seem to have some sad co-dependent shit going on. pagesix.com/2021/12/19/jamie-spears-got-40k-loan-days-before-britney-conservatorship/i don't understand the insistency of defending her awful family or insisting she was better off under their control. she was less publicly weird which is what i think truly bothers people if i'm being honest. and they think her current behaviour is proof that she was better off when her family could keep her out of sight, but out of sight doesn't mean she was well. she probably would have ended up a suicide if she had been left with her family. it's not an either or thing. even if you dislike britney and want to blame her, there's no denying her family is abusive trash, and the cycles of abuse go back several generations, and her father never should have been made conservator because she came out of it worse than she went in. and the minute the conservatorship was finally put forward to a judge, they cancelled it immediately. |
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Post by dilligaf on May 1, 2024 6:36:29 GMT
You cannot convince me she is anywhere near sober. Long term drug abuse damage/current drug use presents just like this too.
Cracked windshield, indeed.
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Post by notoriousmkg on May 1, 2024 16:02:30 GMT
Because I love Sputnik, and I realize she knows more about this situation than I do, I decided to stop talking and start reading. Specifically this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_Spears_conservatorship_caseThat was QUITE the rabbit hole that I went down. The whole situation/mess is pretty complex. Very tortured history with a lot of legal maneuvering. There's a lot of stuff going on that transcends Spears' individual case, but particular things that stand out are how hard it is go get OUT of a conservatorship once you are in one. In Spears' case, once she wanted out (which was very early in the conservatorship) they dismissed her chosen attorney multiple times under the guise (if I'm remember correctly) that she wasn't competent to hire one. Another issue that is definitely there is that a conservatorship should not be run by someone who has a financial interest in perpetuating it, or could become reliant on the fees themselves. Jamie was not the only one benefiting either, which made it more difficult for Spears because she had two or three people opposing her efforts, which, to a judge who is not paying attention, would tilt the decisions against her. Spears may be kooky and have some mental issues, but there is no excuse for how this played out. It's very telling that this has led to nation-wide calls for reforming how conservatorships are begun, administered and ended. Also, I'm not a fan of Britney Spears' music, I don't think I've ever downloaded a single song. But I am definitely a fan of her freespirited attitude, LOL. |
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Post by waterslide on May 1, 2024 17:02:37 GMT
sputnik I never listened to the book, but now II’m curious about her father. Does Britney talk about this in the book or is the stuff about her dad and his side of the family spread out all over Google?
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Post by sputnik on May 1, 2024 17:20:14 GMT
notoriousmkg i'm not a britney either, and i used to think she was better under a conservatorship until i realised how awful her shitty family is, especially jamie. and don't get me wrong, i don't think she's ok now, or that she's really able to live on her own and probably needs a strong support system which i doubt she has. but from what information is out there, i'm pretty convinced the conservatorship as it was set up and run allowed for medical, emotional and physical abuse. from the bullshit you mentioned about not letting her get her own lawyer, to not having any communication with the outside world, allegedly because she wasn't competent, but she was totally fine to perform onstage for thousands every night? it ended up doing more harm than good, and she came out worse for it. and she also came out of it deeply distrustful of the medical establishment and far less likely to seek help for her very obvious issues. waterslide , she does go into some of it, especially how much jamie tormented them during her childhood and how angry she was at her mother for allowing it to go on. she goes into her grandmother's suicide a bit either but on the grandparents and jamie's brothers, etc there's more on the internet that predates the memoir, from other family members basically saying how awful the grandfather was. the memoir is really interesting though, i would still recommend listening to it.
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Post by waterslide on May 2, 2024 14:02:31 GMT
notoriousmkg i'm not a britney either, and i used to think she was better under a conservatorship until i realised how awful her shitty family is, especially jamie. and don't get me wrong, i don't think she's ok now, or that she's really able to live on her own and probably needs a strong support system which i doubt she has. but from what information is out there, i'm pretty convinced the conservatorship as it was set up and run allowed for medical, emotional and physical abuse. from the bullshit you mentioned about not letting her get her own lawyer, to not having any communication with the outside world, allegedly because she wasn't competent, but she was totally fine to perform onstage for thousands every night? it ended up doing more harm than good, and she came out worse for it. and she also came out of it deeply distrustful of the medical establishment and far less likely to seek help for her very obvious issues. waterslide , she does go into some of it, especially how much jamie tormented them during her childhood and how angry she was at her mother for allowing it to go on. she goes into her grandmother's suicide a bit either but on the grandparents and jamie's brothers, etc there's more on the internet that predates the memoir, from other family members basically saying how awful the grandfather was. the memoir is really interesting though, i would still recommend listening to it. I tried about ten times to answer this on my phone yesterday and the phone was not cooperating so now I'm on the taboo work laptop. Thanks for the info - I will definitely give Britney's book a listen and falling down the rabbit hole will ensue... A while back, I was listening to a (former?) lawyer on YouTube (I think her name is That Surprise Witness) who was a big part of the #freebritney movement and she is a little out there, but she has had some interesting things to say and lots of viewpoints from a legal stance. I don't necessarily agree with everything she says, but she's doesn't let things go, kind of in a Nancy Grace-but-millennial kind of way. She's also done some fascinating research into Bam Margera and his family. |
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Post by kittylady on May 2, 2024 17:44:14 GMT
Just from things that I've read here, it sounds like at least some of the many "treatments" Britney was put through under Jamie's conservatorship were more about breaking her spirit to keep her compliant and punishing her for trying to push back than they were about genuinely helping her.
I think the biggest "crime" in all of this is not the money that Jamie (and others) creamed off for themselves but the way that they have pretty much screwed any chance of Britney getting or accepting any help in the future. Yes she was sick and needed help, and yes she might still have ended up needing lifelong assistance in managing her mental health, but it's also sad to think about what she, her relationships with her children, family, partners and friends would look like now if she'd had the proper care from people who wanted her well for her own sake rather than just enough to keep putting on shows to bankroll themselves.
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Post by Sarzy on May 2, 2024 20:14:30 GMT
Britney Spears sparked 'mental health crisis' concerns at the Chateau Marmont in the early hours of Thursday morning as shock photos showed the barefoot star wrapped in a blanket being escorted out to emergency services. In scenes reminiscent of her 2008 meltdown, Spears, 42, who has sparked increasing concern with her recent behavior and is claimed to be 'completely dysfunctional', was seen clad in her underwear, clutching a pillow and appearing distressed as she left the hotel. Spears had abrasions on her knees, appeared to be topless and looked disheveled as she held the pillow to her chest, with her security surrounding her and felon ex Paul Richard Soliz. It has been claimed the pair got into a huge fight and that a woman matching Britney's description was 'harassing and threatening hotel employees and guests.' A man was seen wheeling a stretcher with the star's belongings on it - with a fire truck also seen at the Hollywood hotel. Spears also posted a concerning Instagram message, which claimed the photos were of 'body doubles' and said she was 'getting stronger every day.' She wrote: 'Most of the pics are body doubles and I think most know that !!! I would like respect at this time for people to understand I am getting stronger everyday !!! Truth sucks so can someone teach me how to lie??? 'Goddesses out there, I’m reaching my higher power and furthermore, I hope you guys are too !!! I need a new toothbrush right now!!! PS … I need an espresso. !!! PSS … Not sure why I feel the need to share this … I guess I’m just a girl and I’m on my period so I’m bitchy … s**t !!! DailyMail.com has contacted Spears' representatives for comment.    www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13376645/Britney-Spears-sparks-mental-health-crisis-concerns-LA-hotel.html |
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Post by waterslide on May 2, 2024 21:23:07 GMT
She said she was on her period so hopefully that tummy is just a taco baby.
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Post by charmedhour on May 2, 2024 21:56:20 GMT
Being perfectly honest, I’m not totally convinced Jamie did her wrong in so many ways. While I don’t practice clinical, my Masters is in Psychology and I’m in progress for another in Addiction Counseling.
I did my 3000 hour practicum in 3 different locked unit of a NYC mental health facility. So, sickest of sick and most disturbed of the disturbed patients with mental health disorders such as Schizophrenia, Borderline Personality Disorder, etc. basically the scary diagnoses for long term well being and agency.
Not knowing her full diagnos/es I can’t pass judgement on the true need for the conservatorship. But, she was very publicly having a long term mental health crisis in the year or two leading up to its placement. She was a danger to herself and most importantly to me, her very young children.
I do think there was some shiftiness and shitty practices enforced but again, perhaps those lie within the diagnosis, treatment plan and efficacy of psychotherapeutic treatments and psychopharmacology protocols.
Her extended family is full of generational mental health issues and associated trauma. Yeah for all forward facing purposes Jamie is painted as a loser, piece of shit but he stepped up when her mother declined to participate in her care.
My gut tells me that wasn’t for his own greed or control aspects. I think the intention was heartfelt as the child that lost his mother to suicide and the father of a child clearly in need of care.
I don’t like the idea of forced birth control for example but again if she was so mentally unstable and taking such strong antipsychotics it was truly in her best interests to prevent pregnancy.
Regarding her Vegas residency, often part of a treatment plan is consistency and normalcy in day to day life. Her normal and consistent life, from young childhood, was working and performing.
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Post by sputnik on May 2, 2024 22:50:53 GMT
Jamie has a long history of being abusive and controlling. Most recently he even had the cops called on him for getting violent with his then 13 year old grandson.
Just because lynne wasn’t willing to step up doesn’t make him anything resembling a responsible parent. Being paid to control every aspect of his millionaire daughter’s life sounds like the type of shit that would be right up his alley.
Britney needs help and care, it’s obvious. Her family - all of them - are the worst candidates on earth for that job.
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