Parents go to court to continue care for "brain stem dead"

[waterslide]

Wow. That is a lot of crazy shit. She's really sus. Her stories keep changing and none of them make sense. There must be cameras or phone records that would corroborate one of the timelines she's setting up.

I really did not understand that creepy, gross exchange with her eldest son.  And I'm assuming we can lay all of Archie's behavioral issues at her doorstep...

[Sarzy]

I find it odd to pose like this in front of your dying/dead child. Something very strange about her and this situation. 

[holly]

^ yikes. That’s worse than Darlie Routier spraying silly string at the grave of one of her sons like a week after he’d been murdered. This is way worse. This woman is very disturbed.

[MsDark]

Aug 4, 2022 17:20:39 GMT no1novice said:

Yeah Weaver Kevin doesn't appear to understand what "brainstorm dead" actually means or that this kid has no chance orld recovering anything. He's not in a vegative state he's brain dead. If we didn't have ventilators & health care he'd be dead-dead.

The more I hear about Lisa/Hollie the most I wonder about what actually happened....


Also, just to be clear Hospice is a place for people to go to die.
Lisa/Hollie is just pissed off because all her Facebook posting & googling of treatments & snake oil salesmen in Italy (Dr Death anyone?) & America offering to "treat" him when they know it won't make any difference....
Fuck, call gloopy....

Okay.  Over here Hospice is not a particular place.  It means Hospice care.  Which can be provided in a hospital, another facility (like a nursing home or a hospice house/facility) or in the home.   Perhaps in this instance they are referring to a hospice type facility.  Which would be pointless.  He'd pass away just getting there.  And even if they got him there, the first thing they'd want to do is exactly what the family has been fighting letting them do.  Unplug him.    

 Add:  Holy shit, is that her?  Oh lawd.  Is this like, a lifestyle for her now? 

[kittylady]

no1novice if you dig further into the Kiwifarms thread there's some stuff in there about the rest of the family too - the older brother in particular sounds like a delight and I think there's an uncle who is "known to the authorities" too.

MsDark Over here a hospice is usually a separate facility, often run by a charitable organisation, where people can go for respite or full time end of life care for those with a terminal condition that does not require a hospital admission. The doctors have already said that Archie is too fragile to be moved but the mother is having none of it and has stated that she will give him CPR if they try to take him off life support. Once again Archie's dignity seems to be at the bottom of the list, despite what she says.

[MsDark]

This lady is loony tunes. This poor child.

[waterslide]

I'm still reading through some of the kiwifarms stuff, but this article has her complaining that the hospital won't let the family be with him without nurses. That is exactly who you do want in the room, WTF?  What is her damn obsession with the hospice? 

Archie Battersbee’s family make final plea to ‘let him die with dignity’

PA Reporters

Thu, August 4, 2022 at 2:45 a.m.·2 min read

Family members of 12-year-old Archie Battersbee are making a final plea for him to have “a dignified death”, as the protracted legal battle over his life edges to its conclusion.



Hollie Dance, the boy’s mother, said she wanted her son to be allowed to be transferred from hospital to a hospice so he can “spend his last moments” with his loved ones privately.



His family is due to lodge a final application on Thursday morning to the High Court in London to transfer him out of the Royal London Hospital after the long campaign to prevent doctors withdrawing life support effectively ended when the European Court of Human Rights rejected their final application on Wednesday.



Speaking to Times Radio on the morning her son’s life support is due to be turned off, Ms Dance said that Archie’s loved ones have not been able to have privacy at the hospital, saying: “We can’t even have the chance to be in a room together as a family without nurses.”


Hollie Dance, mother of 12-year-old Archie Battersbee, speaks to the media outside the Royal London hospital in Whitechapel, east London on Wednesday (James Manning/PA)

She said: “There’s absolutely no privacy, which is why, again, the courts keep going on about this dignified death – why aren’t we allowed to take our child to a hospice and spend his last moments, his last days, together privately?



“Why is the hospital obstructing it?”



She said: “It’s going be awful today.



“I woke up absolutely sick to my stomach. Like I just feel this hospital have so much to answer for and I don’t really know what else to say today.”



Her son’s life support is due to be turned off at 11am.


Archie Battersbee is due to have his life support withdrawn in hospital on Thursday (Hollie Dance/PA)

The child has been in a coma since he was found unconscious at his home in Southend, Essex, on April 7 and is being kept alive by a combination of medical interventions, including ventilation and drug treatments, at the hospital in Whitechapel, east London.



Ms Dance believes Archie was taking part in an online challenge, and has not regained consciousness since.



Barts Health NHS Trust has said the boy’s condition is too unstable for a transfer and that moving him by ambulance to a different setting “would most likely hasten the premature deterioration the family wish to avoid, even with full intensive care equipment and staff on the journey”.

Yahoo



I also find it bizarre that she says she woke up sick to her stomach because the hospital "has so much to answer for"...and also, your child will probably die.  Maybe focus on that.

[trixie]

Aug 2, 2022 0:08:03 GMT kittylady said:

Life support will be switched off at 12 noon today (2nd August) unless the parents succeed in yet another attempt to drag the case into the Supreme Court.

There were some screenshots posted to Reddit from the now-locked down Facebook page where Ms Dance has been posting. In them she has used the words "murder" and "execution" to describe the hospital's actions. There are also claims that the full names of medical staff involved in Archie's care have been revealed. There is a website that has been discussing the case and seems to have people inside the FB group screencapping stuff but I'm not going to link it because it has been described as a latter day 4Chan (one of the more polite descriptions anyway).

There was something else I saw on Reddit that I think we should all stop and think about in relation to what has recently happened in the US with Roe v Wade. A Redditor in one of the UK subs has put forward the claim that Christian Concern is being financially backed by US Evangelicals and is pushing this case so hard because if they can get a court ruling that Archie has a heartbeat and is therefore alive it can be used for the groundwork to push for Foetal Heartbeat laws to be introduced to the UK, basically cutting off access to abortion for British women in the same way as it did for American women in states that adopted the law. I almost snorted and considered whether the guy had his tinfoil hat on a little too tight but... We should never say that it couldn't happen here, not after what has happened in the US. A lot of people said it would never happen there either. It's certainly food for thought.

Bingo, Kitty. If you would've asked me before 2016 if any of this shit would be happening here, I would've said no way. Turns out I just wasn't paying attention.

[MsDark]

Does she think if she keeps banging on about any of the situation this kid is in somehow being "the hospital's fault" and uses those words enough times that this will become the truth?

[waterslide]

Aug 5, 2022 3:46:15 GMT MsDark said:

Does she think if she keeps banging on about any of the situation this kid is in somehow being "the hospital's fault" and uses those words enough times that this will become the truth?

Yes. I feel like I don't know where to look.  Munchausen? Child abuse possibly resulting in death? Child neglect? Grifter?  She's ticking all the boxes for me.  

Actually, I have a question about post mortems.  I haven't seen that the police are treating this like an attempted murder or manslaughter case, but if Archie had an autopsy (which would only be done, I'm assuming, if the courts required one?) would it show any abuse at this late date?   I mean, IF she's trying to cover something up, that evidence should be long gone by now.  

[no1novice]

Aug 5, 2022 2:05:37 GMT kittylady said:

no1novice if you dig further into the Kiwifarms thread there's some stuff in there about the rest of the family too - the older brother in particular sounds like a delight and I think there's an uncle who is "known to the authorities" too.

MsDark Over here a hospice is usually a separate facility, often run by a charitable organisation, where people can go for respite or full time end of life care for those with a terminal condition that does not require a hospital admission. The doctors have already said that Archie is too fragile to be moved but the mother is having none of it and has stated that she will give him CPR if they try to take him off life support. Once again Archie's dignity seems to be at the bottom of the list, despite what she says.

I had to stop with that website as I just got disturbed.

Also, thanks for adding the info re Hospice, I just wanted to confirm that its end-of-life not rehab here.

I think that Pittaway is an unusual enough name - there is a 24/25 year old that was arrested for knife crime. I though that it could have been a son until I realised that Hollie Dance children called Tom & Lauren

www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/essex-crime-armed-knifeman-went-6032043

[MsDark]

I was sure we were essentially talking about the same thing. But over there y'all probably have way more resources (places people can go and receive the hands on that they need in addition to the hospice care) when it's not feasible to bring them home to receive hospice care because there's no caregiver in the home.

And here with home hospice Medicare nor private insurances are going to pay for a 24/7 nurse/caregiver in the home. You'll have a hospice nurse who comes to the home regularly and is on call. Maybe some aide services that will come regularly to do/assist with specific things like bathing and personal care.

[no1novice]

That's funny because I was thinking that you guys have more resources but at a cost.

Anyway, moot point he's not going to hospice.
Probably just another trip for Hollie Dance to scam money out of people.
Didn't one of her kids (or is he a step-son?) post that he's off to Thailand with his gf/fiancee that "studies" (if a quick Google is "studying") law.

Archie Battersbee: Family refused permission for hospice move

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1 hour ago

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Archie Battersbee case


Archie Battersbee suffered brain damage in an incident at home on 7 April and has not regained consciousness

The family of 12-year-old Archie Battersbee cannot move him to a hospice for withdrawal of treatment, a High Court judge has ruled.

His family applied for permission after the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) refused a request to delay the withdrawal of life-sustaining support.

Archie's mother had said she wanted him "in a peaceful hospice to say goodbye".

But doctors warned he was too unstable to move by ambulance and it would "hasten premature deterioration".
. Wonder if she googled that too???


The family sought permission to appeal against the latest decision, but that bid has been rejected by three justices at the Court of Appeal.

Archie's family said a breakdown in trust meant Archie would not die with peace and dignity in hospital

Archie's family have now applied to the ECHR challenging the High Court ruling, campaign group Christian Concern said.

*ECHR - European Court of Human Rights.


Responding to the High Court's hospice ruling earlier, Archie's mum, Hollie Dance, said: "All our wishes as a family have been denied by the authorities.

"We are broken, but we are keeping going, because we love Archie and refuse to give up on him."

Archie was found unconscious at home in Southend, Essex, on 7 April - his mother believes he may have been taking part in an online challenge.

*Except this was the 2nd time in two days that he had attempted to hang himself. Allegedly.

He suffered "catastrophic" brain injuries and doctors think it is "highly likely" he is brain-stem dead.

Life-sustaining support, including mechanical ventilation and drug treatments, has been in place since April.

'Unconditional love'

In her ruling earlier on Friday, Mrs Justice Theis concluded it was not in Archie's best interests to be moved.

She said: "Archie's best interests must remain at the core of any conclusions reached by this court.

"When considering the wishes of the family, why those wishes are held, the facilities at the hospice, what Archie is likely to have wanted... the risks involved in a transfer... and the increasing fragility of his medical condition, I am satisfied... he should remain at the hospital when treatment is withdrawn."

Mrs Justice Theis also noted Archie's family's "unconditional love and dedication", which she said had been a "golden thread that runs through this case".

"I hope now Archie can be afforded the opportunity for him to die in peaceful circumstances, with the family who meant so much to him as he clearly does to them."

On Friday evening, Court of Appeal judges said the judgment from the High Court "deals comprehensively with each of the points raised on behalf of the parents".

They added: "We have reached the clear conclusion that each of her decisions was right for the reasons [Mrs Justice Theis] gave."

Christian Concern said later that Archie's family had applied to the ECHR, arguing there was a violation of articles six and eight of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Article six is the right to a fair trial and article eight is the right to respect for private and family life.

*Wait!?! Who took this to the press & set up a "Just Giving"/"Fund Me" accounts the same day???
So, lack of right to privacy is on the mother

Analysis box by Dominic Casciani, home and legal correspondent

This attempt to move Archie to a hospice was always up against large evidential and legal obstacles. Firstly, the law requires the judge to put Archie's best interests first. So any change to his care would have to be for truly exceptional and necessary reasons.

All preceding courts have ruled it is futile to keep Archie alive. Unnecessarily delaying the withdrawal of treatment would, in the eyes of the law, risk the court becoming complicit in denying the boy peace and dignity in his final hours.

The evidence presented by the family did not change that. There was a moving account of why a hospice would be a good environment for them - but there were also clear accounts that it would not be good for Archie. He could die in an ambulance without his family around him.

[Sarzy]

They've now said his life support is being turned off tomorrow.

[no1novice]

It's horrible but his mum has made it worse than it could & should be.