19 Students and 2 Adults Dead in Elementary School Shooting

[greysfang]

Jun 2, 2022 18:56:47 GMT kittylady said:

And now a gunman has killed 4 people and himself in a hospital in Oklahoma.

The same hospital my dad was in 3 years ago before he died. My cousin and one of her daughters also work in the building where it happened. They're fine, but shaken.

[mostroop]

Ugh. I deleted my entire rant. These people are what's wrong with America

[mostroop]

Oh greysfang, I'm sorry they had to go through that. I'm sorry ANYONE has to go through any of this.

[Pixie]

Jun 2, 2022 19:06:12 GMT HWBL said:

The Ameriguns.

Full-blown American madness.



There is probably well over $100K worth of weaponry here. How much good for themselves and their children these two could have done with this money.... instead of spending it on this obscenity.



(Source: Google/ Image. Credit: Dainik Bhaskar)

"well regulated militia" WELL - FUCKING - REGULATED, How is this madness well regulated?
WTF is wrong with those people, how does that even make them feel safer, they know they only have 2 hands, right? And even if you're in need of defending yourself, there is the limit to the amount of guns you can actually use due to your having only 2 hands ffs

Sorry to be posh here, but their house looks downright shitty, there's rust on the roof, I'm not even gonna talk about the grill or anything else that looks like it needs repair, they have their children live in * that * when indeed it looks like that arsenal is worth twice their house.
Morons.

Grey >> That is horrifying to read, I am so, so sorry your family had to go through that, it's just ... insane to not even be safe in a hospital

[dolem]

I saw that photo posted on reddit a week or so ago. It's obscene to me. No one needs that many guns. Unless - you're a ballistics expert you don't need this. It's grossly excessive and 100% what is wrong with this country.

[no]

the gun fetish these right wing dirtbags have is so disgusting. nothing else in life matters as long as they know they get to shoot shit.

[kittylady]

Jun 2, 2022 20:55:22 GMT greysfang said:

Jun 2, 2022 18:56:47 GMT kittylady said:

And now a gunman has killed 4 people and himself in a hospital in Oklahoma.

The same hospital my dad was in 3 years ago before he died. My cousin and one of her daughters also work in the building where it happened. They're fine, but shaken.

I'm glad your family is safe Greys.

But seriously, where TF are you supposed to have a reasonable expectation of safety in the US?  Schools get shot up, supermarkets get shot up, hospitals... It's insanity.

[MsDark]

Dark Jr was thinking about taking a part time job at the Amazon warehouse just down the road from us. Yesterday it was shut down after a 44 yo woman who worked there was shot and killed by a 45 yo man who'd also been an employee there. The shooter was found and shot and killed by Memphis police about 3 hrs later.

www.localmemphis.com/article/news/local/tbi-to-investigate-shooting-involving-officer-i-40-whitten-road-memphis/522-cd0349a1-8c3f-47cf-bd04-43e19b65f3d8

So yeah, I feel more and more like we just need to gtfo of here.

[beeyotch]

Well like so many other things, I LIVE here so I'm not going anywhere.

How do I fight it? What are good organizations that are worth giving to, who will try earnestly to fight this? If I'm going to throw money at something I want it to count.

What can I do? Write and call senators and say what? Protest? I'll show up, what will make a difference? I mean, I know the odds are stacked but we still have to do *something*. Otherwise it just gets swept aside like the bystander effect where no one calls 911 because everyone thinks someone else will do it and no one does.

[kittylady]

Three dead and fourteen injured in a shooting at a bar in Chattanooga.

I'd suggest that we start a thread to track mass shootings in America but at this point I don't think we could keep up with it.

[greysfang]

Also another in Philly at the same time. There’s been about 25 mass shootings since buffalo

[Pixie]

Jun 5, 2022 22:14:31 GMT beeyotch said:

Well like so many other things, I LIVE here so I'm not going anywhere.

How do I fight it? What are good organizations that are worth giving to, who will try earnestly to fight this? If I'm going to throw money at something I want it to count.

What can I do? Write and call senators and say what? Protest? I'll show up, what will make a difference? I mean, I know the odds are stacked but we still have to do *something*. Otherwise it just gets swept aside like the bystander effect where no one calls 911 because everyone thinks someone else will do it and no one does.

I remember John Oliver doing several pieces on guns in Last Week Tonight, and the show always has a "what can we do" part to end their segment.
Not sure if the episodes are recent enough that it is worth re watching but that's all I can think of right now ^^´

[czb]

Jun 5, 2022 22:14:31 GMT beeyotch said:

Well like so many other things, I LIVE here so I'm not going anywhere.

How do I fight it? What are good organizations that are worth giving to, who will try earnestly to fight this? If I'm going to throw money at something I want it to count.

What can I do? Write and call senators and say what? Protest? I'll show up, what will make a difference? I mean, I know the odds are stacked but we still have to do *something*. Otherwise it just gets swept aside like the bystander effect where no one calls 911 because everyone thinks someone else will do it and no one does.

i like this organization:





www.everytown.org/





some local moms are pretty active and organize protests/marches in SF. maybe there are some active people in your community?

[no]

"There have already been more than 240 mass shootings this year in the United States, according to the Gun Violence Archive. Thirty-three have taken place since a rampage at an elementary school in Uvalde, Tex., left 19 children and two teachers dead on May 24. Just this past weekend, mass shootings in multiple cities killed 11 and wounded more than 60."

source

and keep in mind, the year's just barely halfway over.

[HWBL]

From Facebook:

"My name is Dr. Roy Guerrero. I am a board certified pediatrician and I was present at Uvalde Memorial Hospital the day of the massacre on May 24th, 2022 at Robb Elementary School. I was called here today as a witness. But I showed up because I am a doctor. Because how many years ago I swore an oath — An oath to do no harm.

After witnessing first hand the carnage in my hometown of Uvalde, to stay silent would have betrayed that oath. Inaction is harm. Passivity is harm. Delay is harm. So here I am. Not to plead, not to beg or to convince you of anything. But to do my job. And hope that by doing so it inspires the members of this House to do theirs.

I have lived in Uvalde my whole life. In fact, I attended Robb Elementary School myself as a kid. As often is the case with us grown ups, we remember a lot of the good and not so much of the bad. So I don’t recall homework or spelling bees, I remember how much I loved going to school and what a joyful time it was.

Back then we were able to run between classrooms with ease to visit our friends. And I remember the way the cafeteria smelled lunchtime on Hamburger Thursdays.

It was right around lunchtime on a Tuesday that a gunman entered the school through the main door without restriction, massacred 19 students and two teachers and changed the way every student at Robb and their families will remember that school, forever.

I doubt they’ll remember the smell of the cafeteria or the laughter ringing in the hallways. Instead they’ll be haunted by the memory of screams and bloodshed, panic and chaos. Police shouting, parents wailing. I know I will never forget what I saw that day.

For me, that day started like any typical Tuesday at our Pediatric clinic - moms calling for coughs, boogers, sports physicals – right before the summer rush. School was out in two days then summer camps would guarantee some grazes and ankle sprains. Injuries that could be patched up and fixed with a Mickey Mouse sticker as a reward.

Then at 12:30 business as usual stopped and with it my heart. A colleague from a San Antonio trauma center texted me a message: 'Why are the pediatric surgeons and anesthesiologists on call for a mass shooting in Uvalde?'

I raced to the hospital to find parents outside yelling children’s names in desperation and sobbing as they begged for any news related to their child. Those mother’s cries I will never get out of my head.

As I entered the chaos of the ER, the first casualty I came across was Miah Cerrillo. She was sitting in the hallway. Her face was still, still clearly in shock, but her whole body was shaking from the adrenaline coursing through it. The white Lilo and Stitch shirt she wore was covered in blood and her shoulder was bleeding from a shrapnel injury.

Sweet Miah. I’ve known her my whole life. As a baby she survived major liver surgeries against all odds. And once again she’s here. As a survivor. Inspiring us with her story today and her bravery.

When I saw Miah sitting there, I remembered having seen her parents outside. So after quickly examining two other patients of mine in the hallway with minor injuries, I raced outside to let them know Miah was alive. I wasn’t ready for their next urgent and desperate question: 'Where's Elena?'

Elena, is Miah’s 8-year-old sister who was also at Robb at the time of the shooting. I had heard from some nurses that there were “two dead children” who had been moved to the surgical area of the hospital. As I made my way there, I prayed that I wouldn’t find her.

I didn’t find Elena, but what I did find was something no prayer will ever relieve.

Two children, whose bodies had been so pulverized by the bullets fired at them, decapitated, whose flesh had been so ripped apart, that the only clue as to their identities was the blood spattered cartoon clothes still clinging to them. Clinging for life and finding none.

I could only hope these two bodies were a tragic exception to the list of survivors. But as I waited there with my fellow Uvalde doctors, nurses, first responders and hospital staff for other casualties we hoped to save, they never arrived. All that remained was the bodies of 17 more children and the two teachers who cared for them, who dedicated their careers to nurturing and respecting the awesome potential of every single one. Just as we doctors do.

I’ll tell you why I became a pediatrician. Because I knew that children were the best patients. They accept the situation as it’s explained to them. You don’t have to coax them into changing their lifestyles in order to get better or plead them to modify their behavior as you do with adults.

No matter how hard you try to help an adult, their path to healing is always determined by how willing they are to take action. Adults are stubborn. We’re resistant to change even when the change will make things better for ourselves. But especially when we think we’re immune to the fallout.

Why else would there have been such little progress made in Congress to stop gun violence?

Innocent children all over the country today are dead because laws and policy allows people to buy weapons before they’re legally even old enough to buy a pack of beer. They are dead because restrictions have been allowed to lapse. They’re dead because there are no rules about where guns are kept. Because no one is paying attention to who is buying them.

The thing I can’t figure out is whether our politicians are failing us out of stubbornness, passivity or both.

I said before that as grown ups we have a convenient habit of remembering the good and forgetting the bad. Never more so than when it comes to our guns. Once the blood is rinsed away from the bodies of our loved ones, and scrubbed off the floors or the schools and supermarkets and churches, the carnage from each scene is erased from our collective conscience and we return once again to nostalgia.

To the rose tinted view of our second amendment as a perfect instrument of American life, no matter how many lives are lost.

I chose to be a pediatrician. I chose to take care of children. Keeping them safe from preventable diseases I can do. Keeping them safe from bacteria and brittle bones I can do. But making sure our children are safe from guns, that’s the job of our politicians and leaders.

In this case, you are the doctors and our country is the patient. We are lying on the operating table, riddled with bullets like the children of Robb Elementary and so many other schools. We are bleeding out and you are not there.

My oath as a doctor means that I signed up to save lives. I do my job. And I guess it turns out that I am here to plead. To beg. To please, please do yours."

- Dr. Roy Guerrero, Pediatrician, Uvalde, TX