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Post by chaz on May 30, 2022 23:39:20 GMT
Interesting depp is being sued for assaulting someone on a film set. Trial is in a couple of months apparently.
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Post by kittylady on May 31, 2022 1:06:14 GMT
Heard is no stranger to packing it away herself. She arranged for a bumper delivery of drugs to be delivered to her wedding specifically so she and her friends could get fucked up. And does anyone remember those pictures of the art dealer guy she was seeing after Musk? The ones were the pair of them were seriously fucked up with a bad case of coke sweats?
I don't believe her. It's never passed the sniff test for me and I think Dr Curry was right on the mark with her diagnosis.
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Post by dolem on May 31, 2022 1:32:44 GMT
I think they're both toxic. Depp with drugs and alcohol binges plus he's friends with Manson and those texts with Bettany was disgusting but I also think Amber isn't innocent. The whole lying about divorce money, and the recordings don't paint a good picture either. She also had a shitty rep before she hooked up with Depp which people forget and her sister in a reality tv show said she was beating her up. I think them being together brought out really ugly shit and I have seen this in real life when a couple is like this they lose perspective and try to fuck each other up regardless of the repercussions. What pisses me off that this has damaged the effects of IPV with people from coming forward because of this shit. Depp paid and employed a social media campaign that has become so toxic against heard that I am sick of it. I'm team no one. This! I haven't followed this trial at all, I don't particularly care for either of them. I think they're both likely narcissistic and incredibly toxic people. When they were together it exploded ten fold. But, I'm not able to say that he's perfectly innocent because he is a good actor. People are really heated over this trail and I think for a lot of people it's trigger inducing so they could have a difficult time looking past the toxic behavior of both Depp and Heard. |
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Post by angeli on May 31, 2022 1:39:05 GMT
I don't like either one of them and haven't been following the trial. But a question for those of you who have been following it -- who do you think is going to win the trial? Which one has done a better job of proving their case?
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Post by trixie on May 31, 2022 1:51:52 GMT
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Post by chaz on May 31, 2022 2:00:51 GMT
I don't like either one of them and haven't been following the trial. But a question for those of you who have been following it -- who do you think is going to win the trial? Which one has done a better job of proving their case? I think she will win because it has been demonstrated he was jealous, controlling and abusive. He stuffed up his own career himself. They are very similar characters. Narcissistic, ego driven, drug and alcohol abusing. Looking at it as a defamation case, she was correct. |
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Post by chaz on May 31, 2022 2:02:29 GMT
How is that provable that she "never told the truth in her life"? And people who have a pattern of being drunk and on drugs have a better credibility why? She is a convicted abuser, yet you believe her? why? Shes not a convicted abuser (give it time) This is how rumors start. |
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Post by trixie on May 31, 2022 2:16:59 GMT
If the jury follows the law and the jury instructions, she should prevail. In order to win, he has to prove she defamed him with the op-ed, there was malice, and he suffered damages as a result. All the other stuff was to prove the allegations were true, because truth is a defense. Not sure if either "proved" it but even if you don't believe he ever physically abused her, IMO he was guilty of verbal abuse, and destroying her property which wasn't denied. That is domestic abuse right there.
Of course, who knows if the jury was charmed by Depp because he sure laid it on thick. Walking around like the king of the courtroom, shaking hands with all the police personnel and court employees, smiling and waving and cracking jokes during his testimony. Amber called it The Johnny Depp Show, and she was right about that.
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Post by MsDark on May 31, 2022 2:37:29 GMT
Look, she's just a baby compared to Johnny when it comes to being an abuser and a destroyer of worlds.
He's been at this shit for longer than she's been alive and is a pro.
Give her at least a decade or two.
But she probably won't get away with as much as him because he's a way better actor. Hence, the adoring fans who are buying his victim bullshit.
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Post by no1novice on May 31, 2022 12:21:54 GMT
Heard is no stranger to packing it away herself. She arranged for a bumper delivery of drugs to be delivered to her wedding specifically so she and her friends could get fucked up. And does anyone remember those pictures of the art dealer guy she was seeing after Musk? The ones were the pair of them were seriously fucked up with a bad case of coke sweats? I don't believe her. It's never passed the sniff test for me and I think Dr Curry was right on the mark with her diagnosis. I think that they are both toxic. The podcast I posted she thought that it might find for JD with no $. Whatever the answer I do believe that thousands of abuse survivors have and will continue to be hurt by this whole situation. |
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Post by anamishana on May 31, 2022 13:50:47 GMT
Look, she's just a baby compared to Johnny when it comes to being an abuser and a destroyer of worlds. He's been at this shit for longer than she's been alive and is a pro. Give her at least a decade or two. But she probably won't get away with as much as him because he's a way better actor. Hence, the adoring fans who are buying his victim bullshit. I agree I bet she'll get caught up in another domestic in the future but I think Depp knows he won in the court of public opinion. I think he'll lose the case but win on the counterclaim which will be a stalemate. Her career is fucked at this point and I doubt she'll get a major role in the future. Depp on the other hand is going to revive it. Downey Jnr wants him in the new Sherlock Holmes movie and even though Disney has stated that there's no plan for Depps return. Jerry Bruckheimer has been wishy washy about his return rather than saying a flat no. Also if fucking Gibson and others can still get roles then Depp will be fine. Its a patriarchal toxic system with power and money at heart. But Heard gambled and I think she may have won the battle but not the war and she may not be likable but her reputation is in tatters and is truly hated. |
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Post by beeyotch on May 31, 2022 18:27:26 GMT
How is that provable that she "never told the truth in her life"? And people who have a pattern of being drunk and on drugs have a better credibility why? She is a convicted abuser, yet you believe her? why? I remember her domestic with her previous girlfriend, if that's what you mean. I don't remember the details but it's not hard to believe she hit her then-partner. But that doesn't mean that Depp wasn't abusive with her. Given his history it's not hard to believe he'd be abusive toward her. But the power balance is totally on Depp's side, he can hurt her in a far more damaging way physically, financially, in terms of career. They're both toxic and behaved terribly but this whole thing is resulting in the public being totally ok with flinging abusive misogyny at the woman. While the man gets overwhelming public support. When we don't really know, it's just who we believe. |
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Post by waterslide on May 31, 2022 20:04:16 GMT
Look, she's just a baby compared to Johnny when it comes to being an abuser and a destroyer of worlds. He's been at this shit for longer than she's been alive and is a pro. Give her at least a decade or two. But she probably won't get away with as much as him because he's a way better actor. Hence, the adoring fans who are buying his victim bullshit. All this. I tried for two days to put my thoughts into words and this summed all up perfectly. I don't like Amber, but I don't believe she's making up everything, or even half, of what she's claiming. She's also no angel. I think Johnny is very talented, or at least he used to be, and yes, he has done good and kind things, but drugs and alcohol have either changed him or brought bad shit up to the surface. And I think we can all agree this relationship was not going to end well and we all knew it way back when they became public. And like trixie said, this is just about the jury deciding whether or not Amber's op-ed piece ruined Johnny's career and put him in financial straits*. It's not so much about who abused who or who's lying about what. And Johnny has already won in the court of public opinion. I think it was narcissistic and fucking stupid to sue Amber (twice!) because I think people, right or wrong, were willing to forget about all of the claims a long time ago. Most people, including Johnny, don't seem to really give a shit about his actual career - just his career as Jack Sparrow. eta - *Forgot to mention that obviously she's counter suing, but I don't hear much about that outside of it being mentioned like an afterthought. |
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Post by trixie on May 31, 2022 22:57:25 GMT
IMO, this doesn't look good for Amber... Jurors In Johnny Depp Defamation Trial Pose Question About Headline In Amber Heard’s Op Ed
By Ted Johnson, Dominic Patten May 31, 2022 11:30am In their first full day of deliberations in Johnny Depp’s $50 million defamation trial against Amber Heard, jurors posted a question to the judge Tuesday about how they should weigh the headline in Heard’s Washington Post op-ed. The headline for the online version of the December, 2018 piece read, “I Spoke Up Against Sexual Violence — And Faced Our Culture’s Wrath. That Has To Change.” Judge Penney Azcarate said that the jurors were wondering if they should consider whether the headline was defamatory or whether that should be connected to the “content of the statement, everything in the op-ed.” “I think the confusion came in this particular one because the statement in question is the title of the op-ed, so I think they are confused as to whether it is the whole op-ed or the title is the statement,” she said. “It is clear that the title is the statement.” On the jury verdict forms, the headline is one of three statements that the jury has to weigh in determining whether to rule for Depp. The seven jurors also have to decide whether statements in the content of the op-ed are defamatory. One of the statements is, “Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out.” The other statement is, “I had the vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse.” Heard’s legal team has noted that Depp is not mentioned in the op-ed or the headline, but his legal team has argued that it was clear to readers who his ex-wife was referring to in the piece. While the content of Heard’s piece only referred to domestic abuse, and did not specify whether it was physical or emotional, the headline went a step further in its claim of sexual violence. During the trial, Heard claimed that Depp sexually assaulted her during an argument in March 2016, but Depp’s legal team spent considerable time trying to undermine that claim. And while her legal team has noted that she did not write the headline to the op-ed — an editor at the Post did — Depp’s side has focused on the fact that she tweeted out the article without disputing its title. Heard also has countersued for $100 million, and the jury is deliberating on her claims that she was defamed in three difference instances, including in remarks made by Depp’s attorney. deadline.com/2022/05/johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-jury-question-1235035935/ |
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Post by kittylady on Jun 1, 2022 2:55:31 GMT
I don't like either one of them and haven't been following the trial. But a question for those of you who have been following it -- who do you think is going to win the trial? Which one has done a better job of proving their case? For me it's obviously Depp, but not for the reason that people may think. Yes, I like his films and think he's a very good actor but when it comes to gut instinct based on personal experience it's Heard that sets my radar pinging and always has. Following the trial has only underlined it for me. Too many times I found myself getting the skin prickles from her. She reminds me a great deal of my ex in both attitude, falsity and overall demeanour. Her constant need to further garnish her allegations with every telling and the suggestions that she has directly lifted some of them from other people's experiences (such as her former assistant's) doesn't help her case with me either. Heard is no stranger to packing it away herself. She arranged for a bumper delivery of drugs to be delivered to her wedding specifically so she and her friends could get fucked up. And does anyone remember those pictures of the art dealer guy she was seeing after Musk? The ones were the pair of them were seriously fucked up with a bad case of coke sweats? I don't believe her. It's never passed the sniff test for me and I think Dr Curry was right on the mark with her diagnosis. I think that they are both toxic. The podcast I posted she thought that it might find for JD with no $. Whatever the answer I do believe that thousands of abuse survivors have and will continue to be hurt by this whole situation. I agree that it will harm DV survivors but it should also be a wake up call about how female on male DV isn't taken as seriously. Heard admitted on tape that she was violent towards Depp, that he tried to walk away from her to escape the situation. She taunted him that nobody would believe him. And that is all too common for female on male abuse along with too many people treating it as a joke, acting like the male should be ashamed of himself for "getting beaten up by a girl". It's also all too common for female abusers to be treated less harshly than a man would be. Again, Heard undeniably committed physical abuse and not just against Depp but is held up as a victim by many, a heroine of #MeToo while Depp is instantly dropped from several film roles. There was another young actress a few years ago who had beat up her boyfriend (Emma Stone? My recollection is fuzzy Edit: It was Emma Roberts, not Emma Stone) but everyone brushed over it and moved on. British 'celebrity' Kelly Brook bragged in her autobiography about how she had punched two ex-boyfriends (Jason Statham and Danny Cipriani) and laughed about it in interviews yet she still works, still has a contract with Slimfast to appear in their adverts, still pops up whenever a booby c-lister that'll get some dad's blood pressure up is required. And then there's Simpson's voice actor Phil Hartman who was shot dead by his abusive wife before she turned the gun on herself. I am a survivor but so are the two men that I'm closer to than anyone else. One has a scar running down his arm where an ex attacked him with a knife and suffers from back problems and headaches after she pushed him down some stairs. The other was also threatened with a knife, punched, had things thrown at him and pushed through a glass door. Neither of them ever hit back, not only because it goes against everything they believe in but also because they knew that the second they did anything to physically defend themselves they would be the ones in deep, deep shit. And these guys aren't isolated cases among the men that I know. I've seen women hit men in public on a night out and be scooped up by their girlfriends and soothed and told "he deserved it babe, don't worry about it" and I've known women who haven't had a finger laid on them in their life pull the "he was paranoid and controlling and abusive to me!" card as a way of downplaying their own wrongdoings like cheating on her husband and being furious that he dared throw her out and file for divorce, or having being caught with tens of thousands of debt, some of it fraudulent, after massive gambling and shopping sprees. And people rushed to find reasons why what they were claiming was true because they were women and "men are dirty dogs who deserve a taste of their own medicine..." /Rantifesto over. I'll try to to go back to keeping my head down again now. |
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