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Post by o0amber0o on Sept 2, 2022 21:16:25 GMT
I feel for these boys, their lives have been a shit show since day one. I can see a lot of roads here, but they are about to turn 16 and 17 and I think that if they want to speak they can do so on their own terms. I don't think there's any coaching going on here, he didn't say anything negative he just shared facts: his relationship with this mother is strained and he hopes it will be better some day, he cares for his grandparents. What else would anyone want a 16 year old to say about their family?
I think there's a lot of hurt people who are just tired. I think some people want their names cleared and to be left alone by the Free Britney people, some people just want to get their nails done when they want and some people just want their mother to stop posting naked dancing pictures of herself on social media.
I'm not by any means saying that Britney's family is innocent, but I'm also not saying that the words that come out of Britney's mouth are gospel. There's just so much here and the public knows so little.
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Post by no1novice on Sept 2, 2022 22:00:36 GMT
I wanted to know more about this interview.
She does say it's not about Britney but more about raising kids in "the eye of the storm"; that KFed does think that Jaime saved Britney's life but also has questions etc etc.
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Post by mel on Sept 2, 2022 23:19:38 GMT
I side-eye KFed for doing this with the kids, but I don't think the kids were coached. Jayden sounds pretty mature. I know there was an incident with Jamie that led to a restraining order, but I get Jayden defending him and the rest of the family. It sounds like the boys are close to Britney's family, naturally they are going to think the best of them, and while I think the conservatorship went on too long, I don't necessarily think everything Britney alleges is true. Honestly, I think KFed is right that the conservatorship saved Britney's life. IDK it's a mess, and I feel for those kids. I'm sure they just want the family to get along and Britney to stop posing naked on Instagram.
It's pretty easy to understand why her kids have distanced themselves from her when her first response to everything is to lash out like a 12 year old.
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Post by notoriousmkg on Sept 2, 2022 23:58:38 GMT
Oh FUCK OFF!!! These boys are being used as pawns by Jamie and kfed is too dumb to see it. Not going to the wedding because all the family wasn't invited??? Of course they weren't fucking invited!!!! Jamie no doubt said 'If I cant go you cant go'. Britney isn't the parent putting these boys on TV doing interviews. That's kfed, being used as a puppet by Jamie. This really makes me understand the #freebritney movement. Yes shes somewhat weird but look at what she was up against!!!! Exactly who is supposed to "fuck off"? |
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Post by firebrat1229 on Sept 3, 2022 0:26:50 GMT
Oh FUCK OFF!!! These boys are being used as pawns by Jamie and kfed is too dumb to see it. Not going to the wedding because all the family wasn't invited??? Of course they weren't fucking invited!!!! Jamie no doubt said 'If I cant go you cant go'. Britney isn't the parent putting these boys on TV doing interviews. That's kfed, being used as a puppet by Jamie. This really makes me understand the #freebritney movement. Yes shes somewhat weird but look at what she was up against!!!! Exactly who is supposed to "fuck off"? Us, I think. Collectively. Or at least the people who are pointing out the flaws in Britney's behavior. |
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Post by chaz on Sept 3, 2022 2:18:27 GMT
The fuck off was my reaction to the bs being put out by kfed, jamie etc
Definitely not directed towards anyone on this board!
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Post by shellee on Sept 3, 2022 6:35:39 GMT
The fuck off was my reaction to the bs being put out by kfed, jamie etc Definitely not directed towards anyone on this board! That’s how I took it. I didn’t think it was towards anyone here. |
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Post by firebrat1229 on Sept 3, 2022 11:15:26 GMT
The fuck off was my reaction to the bs being put out by kfed, jamie etc Definitely not directed towards anyone on this board! My bad, Chaz. Sorry for assuming. |
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Post by mrsfawlty on Sept 3, 2022 12:42:27 GMT
The fuck off was my reaction to the bs being put out by kfed, jamie etc Definitely not directed towards anyone on this board! My bad, Chaz. Sorry for assuming. I thought it was targeted at us, too! Sorry, Chaz. |
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Post by no1novice on Sept 3, 2022 12:50:29 GMT
The fuck off was my reaction to the bs being put out by kfed, jamie etc Definitely not directed towards anyone on this board! What about the BS being put out by Britney Spears? |
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Post by coolios5o on Sept 3, 2022 13:21:31 GMT
I’m a +15 year lurker of these forums and posted a few times to the old one. The Britney topic, the ”free britney movement” and the total hatred of her family just never ceases to amaze me, so I just had to comment. Sorry for the long post but obviously hits home.
I work in the medical field and worked in psychiatry for 1,5years and also have a father who has a difficult bipolar disorder and a narcissict personality disorder.
Britney has been said to have a bipolar disorder and her behavior definitely fits the diagnosis. Anyone without a license can see that she is not right in the head. That doesn’t mean that she has always been like this. When people go into psychosis and if their disease is not tended well, ie. they stay in manic states/psychosis for long periods of time, it takes a toll on the brain and eventually someone who may have been ”normal” and capable before, can be damaged for life. Just like all ”normal” experiences in our lives, long lasting and reoccuring manic and psychotic states shapes the way we see things and changes our thinking. If you have lived in a different reality for months/years at a time, that starts to become the reality for you and it will be very difficult to bounce back to a completely ”normal”/sane thinking, to the old you. And so, every manic and psychotic episode becomes more difficult, longer and harder to control even with medication.
My father used to be a very highly accomplished person in the medical field. When I was a child, he was a bit difficult but a very functional person. He wasn’t off his rocker and actually had a lot of decent moments of being a father, absent but decent. He was very popular at his work and cared for by his peers and patients.
Slowly his mental illness and personal problems took a hold off him at the age of 50 and he got involved in drugs and sketchy groups of people. The father I have 20 years later is very different. He has been on constant medication now for 5 years and partly accepts his diagnosis but all those years have affected him so that the reality where he lives is not the actual reality. He has times where he is quite sane and functional but he 100% believes all the lies and facts that he has twisted in his head. He has done absolutely appaling things, ruined his career, lost his license, wasted most of his fortune, driven friends and family away with said appaling behaviour. Yet he doesn’t take any responsibility for anything and everything is always someone elses fault. His favourite reference is to compare himself to a jew in a concentration camp and his children/the medical board/anyone who doesnt agree with him to Hitler/gestapo. And he doesn’t say this with sarcasm or jest, he really believes himself to be a complete and absolute victim akin to the jews at concentration camp. Even if you shows him facts on paper that contradict him, he deflects and unleashes a torrent of abuse towards you.
There has been talks about a conservatorship type of solution for my father, but none of us children want to do that because it would literally ruin your life. From the documents Ive read that Jamie got paid like 120 000$/year or something for the conservatorship. I would not do a job so ungrateful and life ruining for any sum of money. Just taking my father to a hospital has caused him to unleash such a barrage of insult and hatred on me/us, that there is no way Id want to be in charge of anything of his for 24/7. It would be like hell on earth. He has accused me/us of exactly the same things I read of britney accusing of her family and her shrinks etc, and in our case I can fully say that they are not true, so I’m suspect neither are hers. Atleast not most of them.
Obviously I don’t know what’s happening in Britneys life and her money is obviously a lot of greater than my fathers, meaning there are more shady people out to get her, and families can be shady I acknowledge that. But conservatorships are tightly monitored by courts and medical professionals. They can’t be put into place just for nothing. They can’t be put into place even for just a little bit a cray cray. You need to be completely off and for a long period of time, without proper signs of improving. Obviously I don’t know the facts but for me it seems like it went on for so long, because there were no proper signs off improvement. She has become a ”chronic” psyciathric patient and she will probably never become completely ”normal”/sane again, even with proper medication. Maybe she is actually in need of some type of conservatorship for the rest of her life. Her father is quite old and he has been under so much hatred and abuse, especially with the ”free britney” movement. Maybe he just decided that it wasn’t worth ruining the end of his life for. I can’t even stand the abuse from my father, let alone the abuse of MILLIONS of people (britneys fans) who have no idea what is truly going on and what it’s like to deal with someone like this in your daily life. I and my brothers decided to chooce our own lives over our father’s, maybe Jamie also decided it wasn’t worth the fight?
And when it comes to her children, maybe this is the only way kfed/the children thought they would get through to her? I bet they have tried talking to her to no avail in private. Maybe they thought that going public would be so drastic that she’d finally understand how much her children are hurting. It is very traumatic to grow up with a parent like this and my father didn’t have social media to air out his insanity. I feel for her children. I love my father dearly and it has caused me so much pain to see him like this. I wasted so many years of my life trying to help him and parent him, hoping there was a way I could talk some sense in to him. To do anything to get him ”back to normal,” to get my old father back. It has been a very painful process to accept that you can only do so much and things will never be good/normal again. That you can’t ruin your own life trying help someone else, especially someone who doesn’t even want to be helped.
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Post by MsDark on Sept 3, 2022 14:59:31 GMT
I'm glad you shared this coolios5o. It's a great example of what it's like to deal with a family member with mental illness. You couldn't pay me enough to be in charge of a mentally ill person 24/7, even someone I loved dearly. This is exactly the kind of things you would deal with.
I think with Britters money and resources they could have done a little better by her, but maybe we should not be so quick to judge. I do firmly believe that without a conservatorship AT ALL she would not be alive today.
I know that we on this board are in the minority on this issue. Your average person walking around who doesn't follow things the way we do just sees this as an outrageous situation where a normal adult woman who was going through a rough patch got taken advantage of by her family and this would not have happened (and hasn't) to a similar male celebrity....blahblahblahblah #leavebritneyalone #freebritney!
Things I know for sure (especially being in the medical field myself):
People are not put under conservatorships for nothing. It's actually difficult to do this, even when it is needed, especially at the age hers occurred. Probably even more steps to establish one in California vs here in the southern US where I live (they would have had a much easier time establishing this in Miss or Louisiana for ex...I think where she used to live).
Kevin would not have gotten sole custody without a very good reason. There are things we will probably never know about this situation. Things I have no doubt Kevin AND her family would not want public. Probably things that even the boys don't know about.
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Post by beeyotch on Sept 3, 2022 16:26:59 GMT
coolios5o, I agree that this was probably the case. I still don't think making it public was a good move for the kids. I understand also that they want to clear their names, the kids and the family, from how bad Britney is making them look with her posts. But with kids, airing it out in public I think hurts them because it invites undeserved scrutiny on them, for a situation they didn't create. If it were my boys, I think the most productive way would be for them to make a video and send it to her, if in person meetings are unproductive and she's combative. That way, the kids get to communicate what they feel and nobody feels publicly exposed or shamed or opened up to public criticism. I think Jamie and the rest of her family have encouraged this mentality that Britney is making them out to be monsters to the public, and have this need to defend themselves, correct the narrative. But I don't think the public thinks that about her boys, so they shouldn't be put in the public eye. But this is a family who encouraged Britney to be a child star, so I don't think they have the same "normal" as most of us do.
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Post by no1novice on Sept 3, 2022 22:26:04 GMT
Coolios50
thanks for the perspective, it sounds like an impossible situation.
I think that the people around this situation with BS are subject to threats etc and that includes the judge, family members, staff, etc.
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Post by lindsaywhit on Sept 3, 2022 23:27:48 GMT
Thanks for sharing your very difficult story, Coolios50.
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