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Post by kittylady on Sept 16, 2022 16:48:59 GMT
I couldn't ever recall seeing any of the Reynolds/Lively kids so I hit Google and he looks like he's a very happy, very involved dad. That's already putting him streets ahead of Nick Cannon as there is no way that man can be the father his kids need when there's so many of them scattered between so many (five? six?) women.
I'm not going to hate on them for having number 4.
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Post by o0amber0o on Sept 16, 2022 20:12:24 GMT
idk why anyone would want four kids but that's their problem not mine. They seem like a solid couple, they're still pretty young and I've been happy with my Mint Mobile service since switching from AT&T so, congrats.
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Post by no1novice on Sept 16, 2022 20:23:32 GMT
Well they married in 2012 & apologised in 2020
"Reynolds and Lively married in 2012 at Boone Hall, a former plantation in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. In the years before the Civil War, Boone Hall was the site of a brick-building business, which thrived from the labor of enslaved people. The plantation displays nine slave cabins, called “Slave Street.” "
Think that there might have been a small clue there....
I think that there probably wasn't as much of a backlash in 2012 but it just grew in momentum.
I also cynically think that it was for PR purposes.
I watch his films but he is always the jerk from Deadpool but it works for Brad, Jack, etc
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Post by Sarzy on Sept 16, 2022 20:32:28 GMT
I don't see the big deal about a couple having 4 kids. I don't think it's a crazy amount.
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Post by waterslide on Sept 17, 2022 0:20:54 GMT
I don't see the big deal about a couple having 4 kids. I don't think it's a crazy amount. I don't think Blake and Ryan are being obsessive or anything, I just thought it's funny that all the celebs seem like they're all having babies at once. Better these two than Nick Cannon and his cavalcade of baby mama's. |
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Post by no1novice on Sept 17, 2022 6:58:06 GMT
I don't see the big deal about a couple having 4 kids. I don't think it's a crazy amount. I don't think Blake and Ryan are being obsessive or anything, I just thought it's funny that all the celebs seem like they're all having babies at once. Better these two than Nick Cannon and his cavalcade of baby mama's. But if Nick had stopped at 5(? Randomly picked number) -would that be ok? |
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Post by kittylady on Sept 17, 2022 11:35:13 GMT
I don't think Blake and Ryan are being obsessive or anything, I just thought it's funny that all the celebs seem like they're all having babies at once. Better these two than Nick Cannon and his cavalcade of baby mama's. But if Nick had stopped at 5(? Randomly picked number) -would that be ok? For me it isn't the number with Nick Cannon but the scattergun approach. He's making as many babies as he can with multiple women - how can he be a good, hands on and present father? plus if he's doing this due to untreated mental illness (as some have speculated) that takes even more away from his ability to be what his many, many kids need him to be. And that's not even touching on what sort of life lessons and expectations he's potentially setting his sons and daughters up for. |
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Post by sputnik on Sept 17, 2022 14:50:21 GMT
Well they married in 2012 & apologised in 2020 "Reynolds and Lively married in 2012 at Boone Hall, a former plantation in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. In the years before the Civil War, Boone Hall was the site of a brick-building business, which thrived from the labor of enslaved people. The plantation displays nine slave cabins, called “Slave Street.” " Think that there might have been a small clue there.... I think that there probably wasn't as much of a backlash in 2012 but it just grew in momentum. I also cynically think that it was for PR purposes. I watch his films but he is always the jerk from Deadpool but it works for Brad, Jack, etc i think the slave street name was what it was originally called and these places tend to be preserved with all the original signage, etc. and i agree with you that they probably apologized because of the backlash but i also don't think that's a huge deal? and i don't particularly care for reynolds or lively but lot of things were more or less socially acceptable in 2012 and weren't anymore in 2020 and there's also the expectation that public figures apologize for stuff that people rightly or wrongly get upset about and yeah most of it is performative but i can't blame people for complying. who wants to be the subject of a social media outrage campaign? plantation weddings are pretty common in the US. so were bachelorette parties, corporate retreats, etc. because these places function as historic places, yes, but that also get rented out to pay for their maintenance. they were basically acceptable until not too long ago when people started vocally criticising using them for 'fun' events while disregarding the fact that they were built and operated by slaves, so now i think they've been relegated to something only white republicans would do. the whole gone with the wind/plantation aesthetic was a thing, and people didn't think twice about it and kind of cosplayed it without linking it to slavery. look at the band lady antebellum that had to change their name, or the dixie chicks that are now just the chicks. they were also caught up in this change where any kind glorification of the confederate south or its aesthetic can no longer be separated from the fact that this was all going on at the same time as slavery because at least some people in the US is trying to be more aware of its racism. that's probably a good thing. but i can't really get all that upset about the people that had one during that sort of transition period and a few years later found themselves on the wrong side of history, so to speak. as far as transgressions go, i would say it's fairly minor? |
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Post by no1novice on Sept 17, 2022 15:09:15 GMT
Yes.
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Post by sputnik on Sept 17, 2022 16:03:29 GMT
lol i just wrote a wall of text about reynolds and lively. this is what happens on the rare occasions i have coffee these days
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Post by waterslide on Sept 17, 2022 19:06:39 GMT
Regarding Nick, I agree with kittylady that it's the scattergun (love that word!) approach, not so much the number. And luckily for him, he has more than $47 in his bank account, but it's just so irresponsible and it boils down to some sort of gross negligence. The kids probably want for nothing, but I don't think Nick is out there choosing mature, rational women to have kids with and I imagine they're not all one big loved up commune. The baby mama from the original post sounds more narcissistic than he does, for one example. And of course, Nick is not mature enough to seek help with that issue where he thinks vaginas are out to get him. I'm kind of glad sput wrote out that long post because I've trying to put that into words the whole time.  Unfortunately, plantation houses are aesthetically pleasing, some of them are just beautiful, so you don't want to just bulldoze over historical architecture, but I think a lot of people (some people?) are now trying to be more aware of context. Also, these events were paying for the upkeep of these houses, so now that organized events are on the wane, they're going to struggle keeping them from decaying. I don't think it would be viable to turn every single one of them into something that only functions as a museum. I don't know what the answer is. |
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Post by ❤️ NickiDrea ❤️ on Sept 17, 2022 21:44:08 GMT
Well they married in 2012 & apologised in 2020 "Reynolds and Lively married in 2012 at Boone Hall, a former plantation in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. In the years before the Civil War, Boone Hall was the site of a brick-building business, which thrived from the labor of enslaved people. The plantation displays nine slave cabins, called “Slave Street.” " Think that there might have been a small clue there.... I think that there probably wasn't as much of a backlash in 2012 but it just grew in momentum. I also cynically think that it was for PR purposes. I watch his films but he is always the jerk from Deadpool but it works for Brad, Jack, etc i think the slave street name was what it was originally called and these places tend to be preserved with all the original signage, etc. and i agree with you that they probably apologized because of the backlash but i also don't think that's a huge deal? and i don't particularly care for reynolds or lively but lot of things were more or less socially acceptable in 2012 and weren't anymore in 2020 and there's also the expectation that public figures apologize for stuff that people rightly or wrongly get upset about and yeah most of it is performative but i can't blame people for complying. who wants to be the subject of a social media outrage campaign? plantation weddings are pretty common in the US. so were bachelorette parties, corporate retreats, etc. because these places function as historic places, yes, but that also get rented out to pay for their maintenance. they were basically acceptable until not too long ago when people started vocally criticising using them for 'fun' events while disregarding the fact that they were built and operated by slaves, so now i think they've been relegated to something only white republicans would do. the whole gone with the wind/plantation aesthetic was a thing, and people didn't think twice about it and kind of cosplayed it without linking it to slavery. look at the band lady antebellum that had to change their name, or the dixie chicks that are now just the chicks. they were also caught up in this change where any kind glorification of the confederate south or its aesthetic can no longer be separated from the fact that this was all going on at the same time as slavery because at least some people in the US is trying to be more aware of its racism. that's probably a good thing. but i can't really get all that upset about the people that had one during that sort of transition period and a few years later found themselves on the wrong side of history, so to speak. as far as transgressions go, i would say it's fairly minor? They were acceptable to certain people. A lot of people have always protested against using locations where people were enslaved, tortured, murdered, and had their families ripped away from them as an entertainment venue. Many of us have long compared plantation weddings to having a wedding at a former concentration camp, a place of murder and human suffering- it’s in extremely poor taste. People used to just accuse those protesting against it as whining. When the SJWs decided that they didn’t like it either, people started listening, but the argument isn’t a new one. It wasn’t new in 2012 either. |
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Post by sputnik on Sept 17, 2022 21:45:41 GMT
^^^
Totally agree. But in terms of mainstream white american culture, questioning the appropriateness of plantation weddings didn’t begin until fairly recently.
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Post by waterslide on Sept 17, 2022 22:52:23 GMT
Yeah, I think white American and black America had very different viewpoints on that topic, unfortunately. It's not right or good, but I don't think a lot of white people gave any thought to why having a plantation wedding would be bad because they never "had" to think about it. The response to the argument that it was in poor taste would have been met with, "But I'm not racist, I have black friends, and the houses and dresses are so pretty, etc."
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Post by czb on Sept 18, 2022 15:22:32 GMT
i agree with comparing a plantation with a concentration camp. i believe i even made that analogy in the other thread about ben and jlo having a wedding in a neo-plantation (which i actually think is worse).
i've been to plantations set up as museums and i can't imagine why ANYONE would want to have a wedding in one.
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Unfortunately, plantation houses are aesthetically pleasing, some of them are just beautiful, so you don't want to just bulldoze over historical architecture, but I think a lot of people (some people?) are now trying to be more aware of context. Also, these events were paying for the upkeep of these houses, so now that organized events are on the wane, they're going to struggle keeping them from decaying. I don't think it would be viable to turn every single one of them into something that only functions as a museum. I don't know what the answer is. 
