The Royal Mega Thread, Part II

[sputnik]

Sept 23, 2022 23:12:02 GMT notoriousmkg said:

Yes, it (his relationship with Camilla) is going good for him right now, but it was definitely a sh*tshow when he and Camilla were dragging their respective families through it way back when. It definitely doesn't look like Harry got over it/internally resolved it, and now Charles is kind of getting a chance to feel what it's like dealing with a wayward son.

yes, it was a shitshow. but i would argue the error wasn't the affair and the shitshow it caused - that's you applying a somewhat puritanical and very american viewpoint to the whole thing, which is what i mean by our bourgeois morals not being applicable here. after all, charles was just carrying on the way generations and generations of heirs before him were taught to do, with a wife that was chosen because she was from the right family and whose role was not be the love of his life but to produce heirs and be the public partner, and a mistress in private. the error was the crown dragging that tradition on for a generation too long, not realizing times had changed and what had once been tacitly accepted, no longer was in the face of a changing society. 

[beeyotch]

Sept 23, 2022 17:11:07 GMT ❤️ NickiDrea ❤️ said:

I guess it’s an unpopular opinion around here but Kate looks bad now. Fresh out of Botox/PS she looks ok but whatever she’s doing doesn’t last long for some reason. She is not going to age well when she looks this old at 40. 40 is young. Eating even just a little more and quitting smoking would really help I think. People can’t help stuff like wrinkles (I guess? Or can they?) but I think it’s the extreme dieting that ages her. Having no fat in your face is rough on your looks as you age. She and I are the same age (I think I am actually older) but she looks significantly, significantly older than me. I would put her in her 50s in non-photoshopped pics I see of her. She doesn’t have a ton of sun damage that I can see but her skin still looks old.

Her face looked… tight at the funeral.

I know what you mean, and I think it's the smoking. And probably stress. Her face still has some fat and collagen for her age and weight. But the wrinkles and texture look like someone older than 40.

Like remember what a 40-year-old woman looked like in the 70's and 80's when almost everybody still smoked? That's what she looks like. She has great hair genetics, but she's not so lucky on the skin genetics.

sputnik, I get what Mo is saying, it's less about our "puritanical American" morals about cheating than it is about Prince Tampon [sorry, KING Tampon] turning around and saying Harry is embarrassing the royal family. It's just hypocritical.

[czb]

king tampon     

[sputnik]

^^^
thats king tampon III

beeyotch , of course it’s hypocritical. We’ve been calling them out for that all along but I think where mo and I disagree is on the reasons for the hypocrisy. IMO mo is using the wrong example that charles is a hypocrite and was a bad boy back in the day because he cheated on diana and caused a scandal, whereas I don’t think Charles broke any rules, he complained but in the end complied and did exactly what all the heirs before him were expected to do (marry a virgin from the right family and have a side piece), which is why I think the blame for Dianagate is with the crown who made a miscalculation and didn’t see that times had changed.

For me the hypocrisy lies in the firm (and charles) demonizing Harry and Meghan but minimizing Andrew’s behaviour which is far worse than anything H&M did. Or enlisting the help of the media to make sure William’s affair doesn’t get written about, and letting them have at it with Harry and Meghan in exchange.

But it’s also sadly unsurprising. The difference is Andrew and William were bad boys but they never broke the really important rule which is to question the firm or want to change it, or speak to the press and say anything bad about the firm. Harry and Meghan did, and that is the biggest taboo I guess. Charles caused a scandal that wasn’t his fault but then took the blame for it (well, they tried to blame diana but we saw how well that worked) or at least ate humble pie and waited almost 10 years to be given permission to finally marry Camilla, and then he was fine with her having second rare status for almost 20 years until mummy, almost on her deathbed, decided she was ok and could be queen consort. William similarly closed ranks and defended the firm and threw his brother and wife under the bus, and was rewarded with golden boy status in the press and no mention of his affair.

The irony is that they don’t seem to realize they’re making a miscalculation of their own although that seems to be the British way lately, between brexit and re-electing the tories even though it’s probably economic suicide at this point given the latest fiscal policy and tax cuts. They’re thinking short term. Maybe it will work but I don’t see Charles being a popular king and will William and Kate be enough to keep the monarchy from further eroding? I think they wasted an opportunity for the crown’s image. With some pretty minimal confessions, Harry and Meghan could have been great brand ambassadors for the crown.

lol ok sorry sorry for the crownifesto, there’s free wifi on my flight and I’m bored lol

[MsDark]

I think they called themselves changing and being progressive by allowing Will to marry Kate, hoping to avoid another fiasco like Charles and Di.

But apparently they're okay with Will being a cheating prick despite getting his way, even though the result could have been another fiasco.

Obviously the family/firm loves Kate now that she will probably stick it out with him, even though they had ZERO problems with letting the press have a field day with her back in the day, calling her Waity Katey, ragging on her for working for her parents after college instead of pretending to pursue some worthless career (that she would have been made to give up anyway) when we all know she was waiting for Will to put a ring on it, and her family in general being social climbers. A bigger bunch of hypocritical cunts I've never seen.

Will is a way bigger asshole than Charles to me because he had far less excuses for his behavior being that he was allowed to marry who he wanted. But I guess he's carrying on that tradition his dad and grandad were known for.

[sputnik]

Not just them it’s been tradition for forever and even some of the queens did it. Royals were married to other royals for strategic, financial and political reasons. The idea of marrying for love and being faithful is a fairly modern invention, especially in high society and royalty. People forget it’s always been a social and legal contract and one that almost always favored men.

[trixie]

Anybody ever see this, that Harry exec produced with Oprah, called The Me You Can't See ? There was another clip on twitter that I can't find now, but I thought pretty interesting. 

[sputnik]

^^^
“Just play the game and your life will be easier”
Says it all, doesn’t it?

[MsDark]

The sheer pretentiousness and fakery that is part and parcel of this entire royal existence is not a life I could see myself leading, regardless of whether I came from noble birth or not. This is not a life for anyone with an authentic bone in their body unless they take some pleasure in being miserable for no good reason. Calling this life of lies duty/sacrifice is the way they've been gaslighting themselves and the world for centuries.

This is why I respect Harry for getting out. But yeah, RF/royalists/Brit media, go ahead and keep dissecting his every word, move and even facial expression and continue to paint him in as pathetic a light as possible. If they want to impress me they'll start leaving Harry and Meg alone altogether. But we know this wont happen because these two and their refusal to sit there and take abuse and wait 40 years for some small scrap of reward/recognition is apparently the most outrageous thing to happen evar.

This is also why I respect Anne for not saddling her kids with titles.

[sputnik]

Sept 24, 2022 16:54:03 GMT MsDark said:

Calling this life of lies duty/sacrifice is the way they've been gaslighting themselves and the world for centuries.

This 100%
and the sheer number of people who buy this crap is really the most astounding part of the whole thing. Like, I liked old Liz too but what exactly did she give to the world through this lifetime of alleged duty, other than being a tourist attraction and having a family that’s a source of entertaining gossip?

[MsDark]

Liz's best AND worst quality was simply carrying on with her day to day life and not doing a goddamn thing unless a situation demanded it of her, and sometimes not even then. I don't think anyone else in this role will ever get away with this to the extent that she did, and definitely not for as long as she did.

They're going to have to start embracing change and doing so at a faster rate than before. They're going to have to start dealing with things occasionally getting out to the public (that they don't want) about the chosen ones due to the internet, cameras and recording devices that have become a part of mainstream existence. They're going to have to deal with being busted for playing an active role in the vilification of some their own at the same time they're enabling and protecting and rewarding others.

So yeah, this shit's gonna get interesting.

[brookie]

They're going to have to deal with Royals that don't want to be one.

[czb]

Sept 24, 2022 16:59:49 GMT sputnik said:

Sept 24, 2022 16:54:03 GMT MsDark said:

Calling this life of lies duty/sacrifice is the way they've been gaslighting themselves and the world for centuries.

This 100%
and the sheer number of people who buy this crap is really the most astounding part of the whole thing. Like, I liked old Liz too but what exactly did she give to the world through this lifetime of alleged duty, other than being a tourist attraction and having a family that’s a source of entertaining gossip?

yes.

i realize i am an american but i really don't get what they do. yeah, liz makes annual addresses that are supposed to inspire but is that worth all the cost of the monarchy? as for being a tourist attraction, the castles and guards are still there so those moneymaking aspects would still be intact even without the royalty.

like i tell my kids, we don't get it because we're american. we fought a war over TEA and yet here i am reading tea. 

[lindsaywhit]

Duty and sacrifice and service.

Duty to whom? It took me a long time to realize it is mostly duty to the perpetuation of the monarchy itself. I suppose they do help to highlight different charities/public works.

But service??? It's not bloody service if they give you castles and clothes and jewels and meals prepared just how you like them, and a private jet and helicopters and even special toilet seats that your 'people' have to drag to where-ever you go and 24/7 people to do all the crap work for you.

And sacrifice? 



Castles around the kingdom. Jewels steeped in bloody conflict and colonialism.

Even the corgis eat better than many British subjects. (Gourmet food prepared by special chefs.)

But Meghan gets blasted for "having a feminist agenda" because it's political??? Treating half the world's population as equal to the other half is political???

Do I sound bitter? I am, and I'm not even paying for these assholes to live their dutiful and sacrificial lives. For me though, the fairy tale ended when I was forced to realize what racist, horrible, amoral people lived behind the masks of their 'duty and service.'

I know, it's not my business - I'm American, and we certainly have our own issues and embarrassments. But the way they have treated Meghan is revolting. When Harry said in his talk with Oprah that he lived through the outrage and death of his mother as she was dating a man who wasn't white, and he saw the same thing happening to Meghan because she is a woman of color it made me sick. 

[trixie]

Ok, finally found the clip but not sure how to embed from twitter so here goes. When he says "I know I'm not going to get from my family what I need" 

twitter.com/i/status/1569310145468923904