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Post by notoriousmkg on Sept 23, 2022 19:55:16 GMT
The way the articles read, there are multiple ways to freeze them out and keep them out of UK. One is to remove police protection, which is discussed in there. Another is to sever them from any duties that would lead them to coming back to the UK to participate. The article also implies that Harry himself thinks the clock is ticking on him based on when William's son (George?) turns 18. Harry seems to think he's going to turn into a pumpkin or something, attention-wise.
The article does not cite the specific victims of bullying, but it cites multiple people who supposedly had to step in and mediate. If they are still working for Buckingham Palace, they have a vested interest in not stepping up and denying the bulling allegations, though.
ETA - they also say there is a plan to put Harry and Meghan in the cheap seats (with Andrew, Eugenie, etc.) if they attend the coronation. It sounds like it will be a litany of public snubs and shows of how they are way outside the inner circle or something.
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Post by mel on Sept 23, 2022 20:35:56 GMT
Whatever you think of Harry and Meghan, none of this makes Charles or the RF look good IMO. They look petty. It shouldn't be a problem for Harry and Meghan to come and support charities except they are terrified that people will start wondering why their taxpayer dollars are paying for the RF to do the same. Nobody would even know what Harry and Meghan are doing if the press wasn't so obsessed. The Palace really screwed up there by not reining the press in when they had the chance. They helped create the monster by leaking against H and M so much. Now, they want to exile them. It's crazy.
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Post by notoriousmkg on Sept 23, 2022 21:19:39 GMT
Yeah, I've never been a fan of Charles and definitely not Camilla. The way I understand it, when they were young, she and Charles had a romance, and while he was on military service, she went out and got married to someone else. Had two kids with them. And then takes back up with Charles -- I'm assuming during her marriage and definitely during Charles' marriage. Someone feel free to correct me if I have that wrong, but it sounds pretty reprehensible.
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Post by sputnik on Sept 23, 2022 21:24:24 GMT
Those allegations were investigated and the findings were, guess what, buried. It’s pretty obvious that if there were any merit to the claims then the Firm would have made sure the Daily Mail had them on the front page for a week. I don’t think the Sussexes are angels, but I do think Charles and William and all of their leaking courtiers treat them like shit, and they can go ahead and try and exile Harry, but I’m guessing he doesn’t really care to come back anyway. Pretty sure Harry and Meghan both said they want the report published and were upset that it was buried, which points to the allegations being more petty rubbish orchestrated by the firm. I don’t doubt they’re exhausting and self-involved but after Charles’ public tanties caught on camera and the rumours about William, I doubt they’re any different than the rest of the family. And I seriously can’t believe anyone still give a shit about Charles and Camilla cheating on their spouses. Get the fuck over it, people lol |
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Post by notoriousmkg on Sept 23, 2022 21:43:00 GMT
Yeah, there are a lot of people who have cheated, but when you have cheated and then turn around to someone whose mom you cheated on and basically say, "You're embarrassing the Crown!!!", well that's probably what never really got resolved in therapy, LOL.
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Post by sputnik on Sept 23, 2022 21:49:35 GMT
Lol wut?
He’s petulant and petty but i think his marriage/relationship with Camilla is probably one of the few good things Charles has going for him right now in terms of image. Even the queen got over it and acknowledged it when she publicly said she wanted camilla to be queen consort, and no one cared more about the crown than she did.
Charles the last one not allowed to marry a non-virgin or a commoner, and he grew up with a whole family tree of people who cheated because that was how you dealt with not being able to marry who you wanted and having your partners picked for you for political reasons. He was just unlucky to also be the first where that was made public and no longer acceptable. Which forced the firm to learn their lesson about not letting Charles or any other heir choose their own partners in the face of changing social mores and especially a changing media and unavoidable exposure of affairs. But not so much that they could accept a non-British, non-white, non-virgin divorcee commoner, that was too much.
our commoner, bourgeois morals and therapy don’t apply here lol
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Post by notoriousmkg on Sept 23, 2022 23:12:02 GMT
Yes, it (his relationship with Camilla) is going good for him right now, but it was definitely a sh*tshow when he and Camilla were dragging their respective families through it way back when. It definitely doesn't look like Harry got over it/internally resolved it, and now Charles is kind of getting a chance to feel what it's like dealing with a wayward son.
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Post by trixie on Sept 23, 2022 23:56:00 GMT
Exactly how is Charles going to send them into permanent exile? They left. They are free to come to England and visit their friends and charities as much as they want as private citizens. Half the articles have been about how Charles is snubbing them and/or is going to banish them and half have been the royal rota saying that Charles needs to agree to a half-in deal for Harry (Just Harry. He's apparently supposed to leave his wife and kids in California to come and serve Charles). Ridiculous. Comparing Harry and Meghan to Nazi sympathizers. Come on. The bullying allegations are about what we've heard before. I don't think Meghan was probably the easiest person to deal with but then neither were the courtiers. I do side-eye it all a bit when William is portrayed as the white knight. We've heard about his personality and the slant to all these accounts is not subtle. The reason I take everything with a grain of salt is because the stories are constantly changing. Like the story about what happened in Balmoral has morphed to make Charles the good guy and Harry the bad. Who knows what is true? Not being a royal watcher, I don't get it. H & M left two years ago, I'd say they exiled themselves. And it's not like they came back trying to worm their way back into the RF, they came back for his grandmother's funeral. That's what happens with estranged families, they only see each other when somebody dies. If they hadn't shown up, can you imagine the outrage? I'm sure it was awkward but I think they tried to do the right thing, and the scandal starved press is having a field day trying to stir up more shit. I do wonder if they'll show up for the coronation, I would think long and hard about wanting to go through all that again. Who knows, maybe they won't be invited. |
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Post by brookie on Sept 24, 2022 0:29:26 GMT
If I'm Harry, I'm not going. I'm now living in the country that fought the old guard for independence, and my dad is going to be crowned "king" of the old guard. I'd rather have a root canal.
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Post by mel on Sept 24, 2022 0:44:13 GMT
They are damned if they do and damned if they don't regarding the coronation. I wouldn't put myself through it. I can't imagine not even being able to blow out a breath without it being made into a thing.
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Post by czb on Sept 24, 2022 1:02:42 GMT
i'm sure them going to the coronation (or not) will be fully vetted prior. and the press will have a field day making up stuff, which the firm will choose not to confirm or deny. in other words, business as usual.
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Post by kittylady on Sept 24, 2022 1:09:43 GMT
Exactly how is Charles going to send them into permanent exile? They left. They are free to come to England and visit their friends and charities as much as they want as private citizens. Half the articles have been about how Charles is snubbing them and/or is going to banish them and half have been the royal rota saying that Charles needs to agree to a half-in deal for Harry (Just Harry. He's apparently supposed to leave his wife and kids in California to come and serve Charles). Ridiculous. Comparing Harry and Meghan to Nazi sympathizers. Come on. The bullying allegations are about what we've heard before. I don't think Meghan was probably the easiest person to deal with but then neither were the courtiers. I do side-eye it all a bit when William is portrayed as the white knight. We've heard about his personality and the slant to all these accounts is not subtle. The reason I take everything with a grain of salt is because the stories are constantly changing. Like the story about what happened in Balmoral has morphed to make Charles the good guy and Harry the bad. Who knows what is true? And it's not like they came back trying to worm their way back into the RF, they came back for his grandmother's funeral. That's what happens with estranged families, they only see each other when somebody dies. If they hadn't shown up, can you imagine the outrage? I'm sure it was awkward but I think they tried to do the right thing, and the scandal starved press is having a field day trying to stir up more shit.
I do wonder if they'll show up for the coronation, I would think long and hard about wanting to go through all that again. Who knows, maybe they won't be invited. Well, they were not supposed to say "fuck this for a lark!", they were supposed to stay and be bullied and berated and have every tiny detail of their lives picked apart because the Royals traditionally don't answer back. The press has always been pretty vile to them (anyone remember the " (Almost) straight outta Compton" headline?) but now they are going at it harder than ever, not only to punish them but because they have found a dog whistle that works, brings in the clicks and foul comments in their thousands, while pretending that it's nothing to do with rampant jingoism and racism. And I'm calling one of the Middletons as one of the 'inside sources' on a lot of this shite. |
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Post by lindsaywhit on Sept 24, 2022 1:51:36 GMT
It's an industry that feeds on itself. All the outrage of the Daily Mail and the Sun is ridiculous. Do you think Meghan and Harry are terrible people who should slide away into obscurity? Then stop making every other fucking article about them! Meghan snubbed! Harry shamed! OMG, give it a rest!
It sounds like Charles hasn't grown up since his days of getting his jammies in a twist because people liked Diana more. Now, his nightmare continues since people are much more interested in the Sussexes than in Charles, Camilla, Wills, Kate, or their chicks. Even people who supposedly hate Meghan and Harry spend much more time listening to, reading about, and getting into fights about the prodigal Duke & Duchess than the four left-behinds.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't steeped in the ugliness of racism. Charles wants to exile them? Um,... they left you you stupid, entitled, git. And William is getting the face he deserves.
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Post by no1novice on Sept 24, 2022 1:58:43 GMT
Not being a royal watcher, I don't get it. H & M left two years ago, I'd say they exiled themselves. And it's not like they came back trying to worm their way back into the RF, they came back for his grandmother's funeral. That's what happens with estranged families, they only see each other when somebody dies. If they hadn't shown up, can you imagine the outrage? I'm sure it was awkward but I think they tried to do the right thing, and the scandal starved press is having a field day trying to stir up more shit.
I do wonder if they'll show up for the coronation, I would think long and hard about wanting to go through all that again. Who knows, maybe they won't be invited. Well, they were not supposed to say "fuck this for a lark!", they were supposed to stay and be bullied and berated and have every tiny detail of their lives picked apart because the Royals traditionally don't answer back. The press has always been pretty vile to them (anyone remember the " (Almost) straight outta Compton" headline?) but now they are going at it harder than ever, not only to punish them but because they have found a dog whistle that works, brings in the clicks and foul comments in their thousands, while pretending that it's nothing to do with rampant jingoism and racism. And I'm calling one of the Middletons as one of the 'inside sources' on a lot of this shite. 100% |
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Post by Sarzy on Sept 24, 2022 7:24:50 GMT
This popped up on my YouTube, I hadn't seen this clip before. I like seeing these candid moments
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