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Post by ravenna on Aug 13, 2022 17:13:27 GMT
I loved her on Another World. She was such a natural actress and had lots of personality. It's sad she was such a troubled soul that I can't be surprised she went out this way.
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Post by MsDark on Aug 13, 2022 17:23:22 GMT
Definitely the best Vicky/Marley of all on Another World.
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Post by waterslide on Aug 13, 2022 21:22:45 GMT
This is going to sound horrible but when I read about the extent of her injuries I thought it would probably be better if she didn’t survive. I don’t think she ever would have recovered any quality of life. That's not horrible. I've been thinking it the whole time. Even if she could have miraculously recovered from the physical injuries, I don't think she could have gotten past it mentally or emotionally. Some times the loving thing is to hope that someone is able to not survive. I do and don't understand this "survive at all costs" mentality - my family have strict instructions from me - if I am brain dead, harvest what is possible for donor use + turn me off; I would not want to "live" or be remembered like that. Probably why I have such strong feelings on that boy. ETA - of course her boys would want her to be alive & well (both mentally & physically); this was not meant to negate their pain & loss The thread about Archie Batersbee got me thinking about these Christians who believe in "life at all costs" and it got me to wondering what the Catholic Church's stance on life support is. I grew up Catholic, and many people I know are Catholic, but I'd never heard anyone have a religious dilemma about cutting off life support and that's because even the crazy Catholics consider life support to be "extraordinary" in cases where people have no reasonable possibility of sustaining life. Anne Heche’s son hopes mom is ‘free of pain’ after death By Evan Real and Francesca Bacardi August 12, 2022 | 5:03pm Homer Laffoon, Anne Heche’s son, hopes his mom is “free of pain” after her untimely death. “My brother Atlas and I lost our Mom. After six days of almost unbelievable emotional swings, I am left with a deep, wordless sadness,” he tells Page Six in a statement. In a 2017 interview with “Access Hollywood,” Heche said that she hoped to be remembered for leaving a positive impact on her sons. “Since the movie is called ‘The Last Word’ and given what it’s about, what do you hope people would say about you as far as last words go?” a producer asked the star at the premiere of her movie. “Oh…Oh lord oh lord…,” she said as she made a praying gesture. “Hopefully that I made my children happy … gave them a life that they love.”He has a way with words. That's heartbreaking to read. He seems to have an understanding of his mom looking for her "eternal freedom." It says a lot that her sons' seemed to be at the forefront of her mind. Homer Lafoon? Yikes. I am sure this week was unbelievable hell for those boys. At least Homer seems cool enough to carry off the name. It is a bit much though. The dad goes by Coley Lafoon, so I guess that family must embrace the strangeness of their name. |
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Post by sassiness on Aug 14, 2022 11:45:05 GMT
The thread about Archie Batersbee got me thinking about these Christians who believe in "life at all costs" and it got me to wondering what the Catholic Church's stance on life support is. I grew up Catholic, and many people I know are Catholic, but I'd never heard anyone have a religious dilemma about cutting off life support and that's because even the crazy Catholics consider life support to be "extraordinary" in cases where people have no reasonable possibility of sustaining life. I don't know if Corinna Schumacher's choices to keep Michael on life support so long after his skiing accident was due to not being willing to let him go or due to their Catholic beliefs, but I think it was the latter. Guy has basically been a vegetable since, because 'God' didn't decide to end his life then.... |
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Post by charmedhour on Aug 14, 2022 12:52:00 GMT
The thread about Archie Batersbee got me thinking about these Christians who believe in "life at all costs" and it got me to wondering what the Catholic Church's stance on life support is. I grew up Catholic, and many people I know are Catholic, but I'd never heard anyone have a religious dilemma about cutting off life support and that's because even the crazy Catholics consider life support to be "extraordinary" in cases where people have no reasonable possibility of sustaining life. I don't know if Corinna Schumacher's choices to keep Michael on life support so long after his skiing accident was due to not being willing to let him go or due to their Catholic beliefs, but I think it was the latter. Guy has basically been a vegetable since, because 'God' didn't decide to end his life then.... The Catholic catechism is clear on ordinary vs extraordinary measures to sustain or end life. If treatments such as a ventilator for brain death or chemo for a terminal illness is what will sustain life by “forcing” life that is not sustainable without those interventions, than the patient (if competent) or family can deny or withdraw. It’s viewed as nature taking its natural course. That is considered extraordinary measures. Ordinary measures such as nutrition and hydration are measures that are complicated. Like Terri Shaivo (SP). She was in a vegetative state and it was the removal of artificial sustenance that lead to her death. In the catechism that was not natural law. |
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Post by loftybike on Aug 15, 2022 6:35:25 GMT
I don't know if Corinna Schumacher's choices to keep Michael on life support so long after his skiing accident was due to not being willing to let him go or due to their Catholic beliefs, but I think it was the latter. Guy has basically been a vegetable since, because 'God' didn't decide to end his life then.... This take surprises me. I've never heard that religion had anything to do with that. From what I read, wasn't it assumed that he just didn't die and still just carries on? |
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Post by eva on Aug 15, 2022 12:34:56 GMT
I was a Palliative and Hospice Certified Nurse for years at a Catholic Hospital and am a Practicing Catholic. Catechism may be clear but perceptions by Catholics are a different reality. They believe and are told by priests that life must be sustained at all costs. I've had to send people to live on Ventilators for life in long-term hospitals. I even have an entire speech that usually helps families let go that speaks about how God is calling their loved one home and we are standing in the way. At the end of the day, we have to support their decisions but it can be heart breaking to see a family struggle with watching their loved one suffer for their (man-made) religious dogma.
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Post by charmedhour on Aug 15, 2022 16:08:03 GMT
I was a Palliative and Hospice Certified Nurse for years at a Catholic Hospital and am a Practicing Catholic. Catechism may be clear but perceptions by Catholics are a different reality. They believe and are told by priests that life must be sustained at all costs. I've had to send people to live on Ventilators for life in long-term hospitals. I even have an entire speech that usually helps families let go that speaks about how God is calling their loved one home and we are standing in the way. At the end of the day, we have to support their decisions but it can be heart breaking to see a family struggle with watching their loved one suffer for their (man-made) religious dogma. Very lapsed Catholic here but spent 13 years in Catholic schools, even took a class in HS called "Death and Dying" from the Catholic perspective. This is why when folks are claiming to be "devout" or "practicing" with any religion they should reading the catechism/"rules" right at the source. For us Catholics, that's the Vatican and it's easy to find information on their website. Honestly, I've yet to speak with a priest that shared that misinformation, I have several priests and nuns in my family that bring their friends along to family functions. Despite being lapsed I often speak to them about religion- more so them trying to bring me back to the Church regularly. I remind them of what one of the first things were are taught as Catholics- God is everywhere. . |
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Post by greysfang on Aug 15, 2022 19:05:17 GMT
She was taken off life support today.
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Post by waterslide on Aug 15, 2022 20:45:39 GMT
^^^I saw that she was taken off life support, too. I also saw that the resident of the home that burned down made a nice video sending love to Anne's family. She didn't have to do that. Ironically-ish, I think the woman's business is decluttering other people's houses. I mean, there's a sad irony there that she ended up losing everything she owned. I was a Palliative and Hospice Certified Nurse for years at a Catholic Hospital and am a Practicing Catholic. Catechism may be clear but perceptions by Catholics are a different reality. They believe and are told by priests that life must be sustained at all costs. I've had to send people to live on Ventilators for life in long-term hospitals. I even have an entire speech that usually helps families let go that speaks about how God is calling their loved one home and we are standing in the way. At the end of the day, we have to support their decisions but it can be heart breaking to see a family struggle with watching their loved one suffer for their (man-made) religious dogma. That's really well put. You probably were able to assuage the guilt of a lot of people who knew down deep that it was time to let go. I was a Palliative and Hospice Certified Nurse for years at a Catholic Hospital and am a Practicing Catholic. Catechism may be clear but perceptions by Catholics are a different reality. They believe and are told by priests that life must be sustained at all costs. I've had to send people to live on Ventilators for life in long-term hospitals. I even have an entire speech that usually helps families let go that speaks about how God is calling their loved one home and we are standing in the way. At the end of the day, we have to support their decisions but it can be heart breaking to see a family struggle with watching their loved one suffer for their (man-made) religious dogma. Very lapsed Catholic here but spent 13 years in Catholic schools, even took a class in HS called "Death and Dying" from the Catholic perspective. This is why when folks are claiming to be "devout" or "practicing" with any religion they should reading the catechism/"rules" right at the source. For us Catholics, that's the Vatican and it's easy to find information on their website. Honestly, I've yet to speak with a priest that shared that misinformation, I have several priests and nuns in my family that bring their friends along to family functions. Despite being lapsed I often speak to them about religion- more so them trying to bring me back to the Church regularly. I remind them of what one of the first things were are taught as Catholics- God is everywhere. . I went to Catholic school for 8 years and I'll be honest, we never learned catechism. Or barely. I mean we had religion class, and we learned about the beatitudes and commandments, but it was mostly reading exercises about how to treat other people with love and respect. I think I'm exaggerating, but other than knowing about mass and saints and the general beliefs of the church, I feel like I know nothing. People will ask me questions about catholicism and I'm just lost. I think the CCD kids knew more than I did about the rules which is why I have to google things constantly. When my dad died, he kept fighting so hard and getting marginally "better" to the surprise of the doctors, so it was a sort of limbo for a week or so, but when time went on and we decided to end life support, it wasn't really a question for my mom and me. And a priest came and delivered last rites and didn't say peep about it, so when I hear of other Christians who believe in "life at all costs", I'm just curious where that had come from. It's all very interesting to me at any rate. notoriousmkg I keep forgetting to mention that I think that the bizarre photoshopped-looking pic of Anne and her parents and siblings was actually a postcard her parents had made. He fancied himself as the leader of an Osmonds-type family singing group/church choir so he would waste lots of time and money getting postcards made to hand out or sell or something. It was weird, but I think that's why it looks so eerie and bizarre. |
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Post by kittylady on Aug 15, 2022 23:46:37 GMT
I don't know if Corinna Schumacher's choices to keep Michael on life support so long after his skiing accident was due to not being willing to let him go or due to their Catholic beliefs, but I think it was the latter. Guy has basically been a vegetable since, because 'God' didn't decide to end his life then.... The Catholic catechism is clear on ordinary vs extraordinary measures to sustain or end life. If treatments such as a ventilator for brain death or chemo for a terminal illness is what will sustain life by “forcing” life that is not sustainable without those interventions, than the patient (if competent) or family can deny or withdraw. It’s viewed as nature taking its natural course. That is considered extraordinary measures. Ordinary measures such as nutrition and hydration are measures that are complicated. Like Terri Shaivo (SP). She was in a vegetative state and it was the removal of artificial sustenance that lead to her death. In the catechism that was not natural law. Based on personal experiences I don't have a lot of fondness for the Catholic church anyway but I feel that sustaining a body when there is no chance of meaningful recovery (or any recovery at all) is both cruel and undignified. In Terry Shiavo's case if life sustaining medical intervention hadn't taken place following resuscitation she would have died so to me the unnatural part was tube feeding an all but vacant body for years. Science was interfering with "God's Plan". Anyway, back to Anne. I hope that the organ donations are a success and that she is/was able to play a part in giving quality of life and hope to many others. There has to be some good to come out of the sadness. |
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Post by charmedhour on Aug 16, 2022 20:02:43 GMT
The Catholic catechism is clear on ordinary vs extraordinary measures to sustain or end life. If treatments such as a ventilator for brain death or chemo for a terminal illness is what will sustain life by “forcing” life that is not sustainable without those interventions, than the patient (if competent) or family can deny or withdraw. It’s viewed as nature taking its natural course. That is considered extraordinary measures. Ordinary measures such as nutrition and hydration are measures that are complicated. Like Terri Shaivo (SP). She was in a vegetative state and it was the removal of artificial sustenance that lead to her death. In the catechism that was not natural law. Based on personal experiences I don't have a lot of fondness for the Catholic church anyway but I feel that sustaining a body when there is no chance of meaningful recovery (or any recovery at all) is both cruel and undignified. In Terry Shiavo's case if life sustaining medical intervention hadn't taken place following resuscitation she would have died so to me the unnatural part was tube feeding an all but vacant body for years. Science was interfering with "God's Plan". Anyway, back to Anne. I hope that the organ donations are a success and that she is/was able to play a part in giving quality of life and hope to many others. There has to be some good to come out of the sadness. I'm not overly fond of much of what the Church is, so to speak. I have HUGE issues with their marginalization of people, their handling of the sexual abuse of children, etc. etc. Here's a perfect example; my MIL was not married in the Church and her husband was previously married. She spent 30 years of Sundays going to Mass and denied Communion. I would ask her, "Why are you going somewhere you are only peripherally wanted?" |
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Post by eva on Aug 16, 2022 21:24:05 GMT
This was me also. My husband was previously married in the church so I wasn't allowed to take Communion. However, the current pope ended that restriction a few years ago and I'm now allowed to take Communion.
Its entirely man made dogma. That is just another example.
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Post by faithanne on Aug 16, 2022 21:24:54 GMT
I'm not overly fond of much of what the Church is, so to speak. I have HUGE issues with their marginalization of people, their handling of the sexual abuse of children, etc. etc. Here's a perfect example; my MIL was not married in the Church and her husband was previously married. She spent 30 years of Sundays going to Mass and denied Communion. I would ask her, "Why are you going somewhere you are only peripherally wanted?" My Dad wasn't a practicing Catholic, and after he died the nuns told me that because he never went to church, he was in purgatory and would stay there my entire lifetime and longer unless I prayed hard. I was 12. I became a fully-fledged non-believer soon after. |
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Post by greysfang on Aug 16, 2022 22:19:00 GMT
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