Inbred Rich People: The Royalty Thread

[shellee]

Aug 29, 2022 15:05:21 GMT Sarzy said:

^ Yeah I don't buy how little she knew.


This is strange bit from her interview lol

Though she has been media trained and then royal-media trained and sometimes converses like she has a tiny Bachelor producer in her brain directing what she says (at one point in our conversation, instead of answering a question, she will suggest how I might transcribe the noises she’s making: “She’s making these guttural sounds, and I can’t quite articulate what it is she’s feeling in that moment because she has no word for it; she’s just moaning”), at this stage, post-royal, there’s no need for her to hold back. She’s flinging open the proverbial doors to her life; as any millennial

[shellee]

That is really strange!!

[mel]

Aug 29, 2022 15:05:21 GMT Sarzy said:

^ Yeah I don't buy how little she knew.


This is strange bit from her interview lol

Though she has been media trained and then royal-media trained and sometimes converses like she has a tiny Bachelor producer in her brain directing what she says (at one point in our conversation, instead of answering a question, she will suggest how I might transcribe the noises she’s making: “She’s making these guttural sounds, and I can’t quite articulate what it is she’s feeling in that moment because she has no word for it; she’s just moaning”), at this stage, post-royal, there’s no need for her to hold back. She’s flinging open the proverbial doors to her life; as any millennial

This is weird. I don't know what Meghan was doing or if the writer didn't describe it well (maybe it defied description) but I can't even begin to picture what this was about lol.

[❤️ NickiDrea ❤️]

I am a huge Meghan fan but I found a few parts of this interview to be really odd. That said I don’t think it’s weird that she didn’t know the inner workings of the family. Her mom didn’t groom her to become a Royal for years and I’ve literally never heard any American in real life talk about the British royals except a conversation last year when someone randomly dissed Kate at a township meeting I attended (it was weird and hilarious). I remember reading a story that Harry brought her to see the queen and she was so unprepared that she didn’t even know how to curtsey and Harry had to show her before they entered the house.

I follow the royals mostly because of Meghan and I still don’t feel like I know much about their inner workings either. I DO think that she did research on the family despite what she said but I’d also guess that much of the public information she read didn’t prepare her for what she would experience.

Like, who could explain to her what it would be like to be half black in the royal family? No one. Kate didn’t have it easy and Meghan’s experience has been much harder and very different than Kate’s. Even if she knew what Kate had experienced, it just isn’t the same… at all.

[czb]

agree with some of what you are saying. i am not a royalist and hardly give them a thought, i but i think it's pretty odd that someone wouldn't know about the mutual relationship between the RF and the media. and for someone in the entertainment industry to be that naive is really unbelievable.

[mel]

I watched enough stuff about Diana over the years to know I wouldn't want to be part of the RF or fodder for the tabloids. I did think maybe they had learned some lessons from Diana. Kate didn't have it easy, but the RF did push back sometimes or feed them other stories to redirect their attention. I think Meghan could probably understand this relationship between the RF and media because studios and PR people do the same for celebrities. I think the mistake Meghan made was thinking they would push back for the spare's wife and the stories they fed the tabloids to redirect their attention wouldn't be about her.

I don't think that necessarily made Meghan naive. I think it's hard for anyone that doesn't grow up in the RF to understand that they don't operate as a family but The Firm.

[sputnik]

i knew of it but not the inner workings, not until the harry and meghan saga started in earnest in the media, around when they publicly started dating.
i also assumed the royal family had people that would basically start grooming her and prepping her for the life the minute they started dating seriously, but it seems like they don't or there was so much resistance to her in the RF that they didn't bother to start trying to help her out until it was clear they were getting married and there was nothing they could do about it.
the rota thing, i think the point isn't so much that she didn't know about it (she might not have known before they got engaged/married but certainly did after) but rather that once things got really bad with the british media and they weren't even bothering to hide their racist bullshit, she didn't want to play into it anymore and play by the rules and let them have photos of her kids when they were just going to turn around and make racist attacks on her and her family which i think is a valid point. the whole point of the rota is that by giving the media access to some information, they're supposed to in exchange be a little nicer and less intrusive in their coverage, which clearly wasn't the case for harry and meghan starting very early on.

[❤️ NickiDrea ❤️]

Aug 29, 2022 20:21:47 GMT sputnik said:

i knew of it but not the inner workings, not until the harry and meghan saga started in earnest in the media, around when they publicly started dating.
i also assumed the royal family had people that would basically start grooming her and prepping her for the life the minute they started dating seriously, but it seems like they don't or there was so much resistance to her in the RF that they didn't bother to start trying to help her out until it was clear they were getting married and there was nothing they could do about it.
the rota thing, i think the point isn't so much that she didn't know about it (she might not have known before they got engaged/married but certainly did after) but rather that once things got really bad with the british media and they weren't even bothering to hide their racist bullshit, she didn't want to play into it anymore and play by the rules and let them have photos of her kids when they were just going to turn around and make racist attacks on her and her family which i think is a valid point. the whole point of the rota is that by giving the media access to some information, they're supposed to in exchange be a little nicer and less intrusive in their coverage, which clearly wasn't the case for harry and meghan starting very early on.

Maybe I am naive but I had no idea the British media was so nasty and racist. Meghan and I are only a year apart in age. I lived through the Diana spectacle as a teen but no one really cared here in the US in my every day life if I’m being honest, especially people our age at the time. I remember the day Diana died but only because it came on the news and they were reporting that she was in the accident and showing the photos. I remember my mom saying that the media just didn’t want to say it but Diana was probably dead. And that’s basically the last I heard anyone outside of the media talking about it. No one my age cared, period, no one talked about it at school or anything. I’d guess that Meghan probably had the same experience since she was of a similar age. She probably did not pay much attention to the Diana circus because in a world without social media and ready access the internet, your average American preteen/teen didn’t know much about the royals or care either. So whatever Diana experienced would probably feel far removed from Meghan in her viewpoint.

But seriously. I can only speak for myself but I never once cared about the Royal family or Britain. I previously had a pretty neutral opinion about both other than liking the British accent. I now have a very negative view of both the royals and Britain as a whole, especially the media. The total denial of racism and gaslighting is what’s particularly gross to me. Meghan isn’t perfect but her treatment and the justifications I’ve read for it is really disturbing.

[chaz]

Mm is insufferable. The press calling her baby the 'N-word'?, I call busllsh!t on the whole lot of what she says. Regarding Royal protocol etc that is on Harry. She wouldn't have known what the expectations were but he certainly did.

[daphodil]

Aug 29, 2022 21:33:31 GMT chaz said:

 She wouldn't have known what the expectations were but he certainly did.

I am married to a Brit (whose father was from Scotland). Definitely not part of the RF, but there were some unexpected WTAF with his family that he never mentioned. I assume it's due to being a boiled frog and he didn't know there was any other way. That's how I think of Harry...no world experience beyond the plastic wrapped dysfunction of the RF. Coming from a dysfunctional family myself, I think my gauges were skewed as well. 

[czb]

i get what you are saying about maybe meghan didn't know about diana in real time. and i'm not gaslighting her, i do think marriage into the royal family would be awful and she did not deserve the treatment she received. but some of her comments don't make sense to me.

@nicki

[kittylady]

Aug 29, 2022 20:09:44 GMT mel said:

I watched enough stuff about Diana over the years to know I wouldn't want to be part of the RF or fodder for the tabloids. I did think maybe they had learned some lessons from Diana. Kate didn't have it easy, but the RF did push back sometimes or feed them other stories to redirect their attention. I think Meghan could probably understand this relationship between the RF and media because studios and PR people do the same for celebrities. I think the mistake Meghan made was thinking they would push back for the spare's wife and the stories they fed the tabloids to redirect their attention wouldn't be about her.

I don't think that necessarily made Meghan naive. I think it's hard for anyone that doesn't grow up in the RF to understand that they don't operate as a family but The Firm.

I don't think she was expecting her brother-in-law's household to be among those actively trying to throw her under the bus, either. The staff of the various households are rumoured to be even snobbier than the Royals themselves and are supposedly constantly jostling for position to make sure that "their" Royal is the one who gets the best coverage and public favour, even if that means repeatedly stabbing another household in the back. The hierarchy of the family may be decided by birth but the hierarchy of the staff seems to be decided by backstairs politics. Bill's popularity wasn't exactly bad pre-Meghan but it wasn't great either. Kathy's was pretty low and the lazy, Waity-Katie was brought up in pretty much every comments section over and over. But now after a constant stream of 'Palace insider' stories these same commentators are acting like Bill is going to single handedly usher in a new Golden Age when he becomes King while Kate will leave a trail of fairydust and unicorn farts wherever she goes.

Additionally I think that any woman who had married Harry would have struggled to cope in a situation like this, and not just because of the factional staff wars. The press had been pushing a narrative for years of Bill, Kathy and Harry being like the Three Musketeers so any fourth would have been given a rough time for breaking up the 'ideal' of Harry being there as Bill and Kathy's prop. 

Aug 29, 2022 20:45:57 GMT ❤️ NickiDrea ❤️ said:

Aug 29, 2022 20:21:47 GMT sputnik said:

i knew of it but not the inner workings, not until the harry and meghan saga started in earnest in the media, around when they publicly started dating.
i also assumed the royal family had people that would basically start grooming her and prepping her for the life the minute they started dating seriously, but it seems like they don't or there was so much resistance to her in the RF that they didn't bother to start trying to help her out until it was clear they were getting married and there was nothing they could do about it.
the rota thing, i think the point isn't so much that she didn't know about it (she might not have known before they got engaged/married but certainly did after) but rather that once things got really bad with the british media and they weren't even bothering to hide their racist bullshit, she didn't want to play into it anymore and play by the rules and let them have photos of her kids when they were just going to turn around and make racist attacks on her and her family which i think is a valid point. the whole point of the rota is that by giving the media access to some information, they're supposed to in exchange be a little nicer and less intrusive in their coverage, which clearly wasn't the case for harry and meghan starting very early on.

Maybe I am naive but I had no idea the British media was so nasty and racist. Meghan and I are only a year apart in age. I lived through the Diana spectacle as a teen but no one really cared here in the US in my every day life if I’m being honest, especially people our age at the time. I remember the day Diana died but only because it came on the news and they were reporting that she was in the accident and showing the photos. I remember my mom saying that the media just didn’t want to say it but Diana was probably dead. And that’s basically the last I heard anyone outside of the media talking about it. No one my age cared, period, no one talked about it at school or anything. I’d guess that Meghan probably had the same experience since she was of a similar age. She probably did not pay much attention to the Diana circus because in a world without social media and ready access the internet, your average American preteen/teen didn’t know much about the royals or care either. So whatever Diana experienced would probably feel far removed from Meghan in her viewpoint.

But seriously. I can only speak for myself but I never once cared about the Royal family or Britain. I previously had a pretty neutral opinion about both other than liking the British accent. I now have a very negative view of both the royals and Britain as a whole, especially the media. The total denial of racism and gaslighting is what’s particularly gross to me. Meghan isn’t perfect but her treatment and the justifications I’ve read for it is really disturbing.

I'm really, really sorry to hear that you feel that way (well, not particularly about the Royals, anyway lol).  Think of the people you see on Social Media and news articles as being like die hard Trumpsters - very loud, seem to be everywhere but are actually the minority.  In my part of the UK things are pretty different to how the British press might make it seem (I'm in the North and the media treats us like we still live in thatched huts sometimes).  When the English Defence League (a bunch of low IQ, racist, knuckle dragging, hooligan fuckwits) tried to stage a rally up here they were quite literally chased out of the city by counter protesters and locals to the theme tune from The Benny Hill Show and when one of the leaders tried to stage an event in my home town about six people turned up, and half of those were just there to see if there was going to be any idiotic shenanigans worth talking about at the pub the next day.

[czb]

i don't make judgments about the UK based on the RF and the media. i assume that the UK under boris was like the US under trump. polarized.

i think meghan went into the marriage with high goals of repping the RF as a bi-racial chick and hoping to herald in a golden era of acceptance and inclusivity. instead, she got kicked in the nuts. i think while her intentions may have been well-meaning i do think they were naive. A*O* was right. sorry. it is not a welcoming environment for outsiders. history would tell anyone that. not talking DM readership, just EU history.

[shellee]

A*O* was very straight forward and didn’t pussyfoot around which got some peoples panties in a twist thinking that she was racist when in fact she was correct about the EU’s history.

[czb]

i do think she was racist and also think she was correct about the RF.

the two are not mutually exclusive. yes i said that.