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Post by sputnik on Aug 30, 2022 2:51:31 GMT
^^^
exactly. i think she was mostly happy to be right and thought that's how it was supposed to be even though she tried to (disingenuously) claim otherwise...
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Post by mel on Aug 30, 2022 3:07:58 GMT
I watched enough stuff about Diana over the years to know I wouldn't want to be part of the RF or fodder for the tabloids. I did think maybe they had learned some lessons from Diana. Kate didn't have it easy, but the RF did push back sometimes or feed them other stories to redirect their attention. I think Meghan could probably understand this relationship between the RF and media because studios and PR people do the same for celebrities. I think the mistake Meghan made was thinking they would push back for the spare's wife and the stories they fed the tabloids to redirect their attention wouldn't be about her. I don't think that necessarily made Meghan naive. I think it's hard for anyone that doesn't grow up in the RF to understand that they don't operate as a family but The Firm. I don't think she was expecting her brother-in-law's household to be among those actively trying to throw her under the bus, either. The staff of the various households are rumoured to be even snobbier than the Royals themselves and are supposedly constantly jostling for position to make sure that "their" Royal is the one who gets the best coverage and public favour, even if that means repeatedly stabbing another household in the back. The hierarchy of the family may be decided by birth but the hierarchy of the staff seems to be decided by backstairs politics. Bill's popularity wasn't exactly bad pre-Meghan but it wasn't great either. Kathy's was pretty low and the lazy, Waity-Katie was brought up in pretty much every comments section over and over. But now after a constant stream of 'Palace insider' stories these same commentators are acting like Bill is going to single handedly usher in a new Golden Age when he becomes King while Kate will leave a trail of fairydust and unicorn farts wherever she goes. Yeah, say what you will about how outsiders fare in the UK, Meghan was doing okay at the start. The media was printing negative stuff but it was nothing compared to the barrage of negative stories that hit after Harry and Meghan's successful first tour. It was pretty obvious they were coming from KP. I don't think anything could have prepared Meghan for that. I would not want to deal with the royal aides and household politics, that's for sure. It was pretty obvious one of the main sources for a few of the recent royal books was Carole Middleton given the effusive Kate praise. William and Kate are as lazy as ever but the 'Palace insider' stories have certainly changed the perception of them, at Meghan's expense. |
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Post by czb on Aug 30, 2022 3:08:05 GMT
yup. there were some comments she made that if i c/p them here, a lot of people would cry Racist.
others would be apologist. i won't bother. she is not here to defend herself and i don't want to impugn her. i am just stating that she foresaw that meghan would be a poor fit. that is the bottom line. obvs some saw it ahead of time and maybe not for the noblest of reasons.
@sput.
and the uproar over bananas. tendrils. the other stuff so stupid it makes my brain hurt.
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Post by kittylady on Aug 30, 2022 6:50:39 GMT
mel I don't doubt for a second that some of the 'insider' stories are coming directly from Carole. It's not just that the British press are licking Kate's arsehole, the coverage of the rest of the family has changed too. There's barely been a peep about Pippa, not even through her most recent pregnancy and hardly a whisper about James' latest attempts at being a businessman. Even the notorious Uncle Gary seems to have been whitewashed and rehabilitated by the press. A deal has most definitely been struck somewhere.
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Post by Sarzy on Aug 30, 2022 6:58:06 GMT
i don't make judgments about the UK based on the RF and the media. i assume that the UK under boris was like the US under trump. polarized.i think meghan went into the marriage with high goals of repping the RF as a bi-racial chick and hoping to herald in a golden era of acceptance and inclusivity. instead, she got kicked in the nuts. i think while her intentions may have been well-meaning i do think they were naive. A*O* was right. sorry. it is not a welcoming environment for outsiders. history would tell anyone that. not talking DM readership, just EU history . Exactly, it would be silly to think everyone is the same. It was never going to work, having someone new come in thinking they could change the way the Royals do things. No matter who it was. |
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Post by mrsfawlty on Aug 30, 2022 7:20:36 GMT
i knew of it but not the inner workings, not until the harry and meghan saga started in earnest in the media, around when they publicly started dating. i also assumed the royal family had people that would basically start grooming her and prepping her for the life the minute they started dating seriously, but it seems like they don't or there was so much resistance to her in the RF that they didn't bother to start trying to help her out until it was clear they were getting married and there was nothing they could do about it. the rota thing, i think the point isn't so much that she didn't know about it (she might not have known before they got engaged/married but certainly did after) but rather that once things got really bad with the british media and they weren't even bothering to hide their racist bullshit, she didn't want to play into it anymore and play by the rules and let them have photos of her kids when they were just going to turn around and make racist attacks on her and her family which i think is a valid point. the whole point of the rota is that by giving the media access to some information, they're supposed to in exchange be a little nicer and less intrusive in their coverage, which clearly wasn't the case for harry and meghan starting very early on. Maybe I am naive but I had no idea the British media was so nasty and racist. Meghan and I are only a year apart in age. I lived through the Diana spectacle as a teen but no one really cared here in the US in my every day life if I’m being honest, especially people our age at the time. I remember the day Diana died but only because it came on the news and they were reporting that she was in the accident and showing the photos. I remember my mom saying that the media just didn’t want to say it but Diana was probably dead. And that’s basically the last I heard anyone outside of the media talking about it. No one my age cared, period, no one talked about it at school or anything. I’d guess that Meghan probably had the same experience since she was of a similar age. She probably did not pay much attention to the Diana circus because in a world without social media and ready access the internet, your average American preteen/teen didn’t know much about the royals or care either. So whatever Diana experienced would probably feel far removed from Meghan in her viewpoint. But seriously. I can only speak for myself but I never once cared about the Royal family or Britain. I previously had a pretty neutral opinion about both other than liking the British accent. I now have a very negative view of both the royals and Britain as a whole, especially the media. The total denial of racism and gaslighting is what’s particularly gross to me. Meghan isn’t perfect but her treatment and the justifications I’ve read for it is really disturbing. I'm deeply saddened by your comments about us, in Britain. I can assure you that we are not all racists and far right-wingers. I don't know where you are from, or where you live, but I know that there are racists/extremists in many countries. I can only say that there are many of us, in Britain(I'm Welsh and live in Wales), who are utterly appalled at the way the media and government have dragged us towards economic chaos and far right fascism under an incompetent and intellectually moribund Prime Minister who appears to have attended the same Charm School as Donald Trump! We are not all like that, just as Americans are not all like the Trumpers. |
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Post by sleuth on Aug 30, 2022 7:54:08 GMT
She is such a bullshit artist and I’m so glad she’s getting sloppier at it. She has now apparently pissed off a lot of people in South Africa. #VoetsekMeghan is trending. People who worked at the mansion she stayed at in South Africa are fuming that she called it a “housing unit”, lied about the fire (didn’t happen - no flames at all), then turned it into a sob story at having to do another engagement afterwards which would have been completely appropriate for Archie to attend. It was the event where Meghan decided that everyone sit on the floor in their beautiful dresses with their babies just so she could look more “down to Earth”. In her own words “I’m such a fraud”.
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Post by chaz on Aug 30, 2022 8:25:14 GMT
She's a joke.
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Post by Sarzy on Aug 30, 2022 9:47:55 GMT
Sunrise host Natalie Barr has labelled Meghan Markle a 'tosser' in an extraordinary on-air rant after the Duchess of Sussex compared herself to Nelson Mandela in her new interview with The Cut magazine. The former Suits actress, 41, claimed she was told by a cast member of the Lion King in 2019 that South Africans had 'danced in the street' when she married Prince Harry - just like they did when 'Mandela was freed from prison'. Barr, 54, who is known for her more conservative broadcasting style, was uncharacteristically candid on Tuesday as she told her co-anchor David 'Kochie' Koch she 'couldn't even stomach getting through the whole article'. I think in Australia we'd say she's just full of it. She's a tosser. She's a total tosser! That's how we would describe her. I just can't... the way she speaks,' she added. Tosser' is a mildly insulting slang term in Australia for an obnoxious person. Newsreader Edwina Bartholomew offered a more diplomatic response to Meghan's claims, telling the panel: 'I think she has a very different narrative, perhaps, in the U.S. to what is being accepted in the UK.' Or just everywhere in the world!' Barr scoffed, as Koch joked: 'That's Eddie's code for "tosser".' Mandela spent 27 years in prison for opposing South Africa's apartheid system. After he was released, he helped negotiate an end to apartheid and became the first democratically elected president of South Africa. Feigning compassion, Stefanovic later joked: 'I think [Meghan is] probably a little misunderstood, don't you reckon?' Langdon, 43, whose distaste for the Sussexes is well-documented, smirked: 'Oh, you're changing your tune, are you, Karl?' 'Yeah, I think it's time to support her, especially after the Mandela comments. Anyone who compares themselves to Mandela, I think, is fair enough,' he said, bursting into laughter. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11158431/Natalie-Barr-calls-Meghan-Markle-TOSSER-comparing-Nelson-Mandela.html |
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Post by neptunia on Aug 30, 2022 11:17:34 GMT
She is such a bullshit artist and I’m so glad she’s getting sloppier at it. She has now apparently pissed off a lot of people in South Africa. #VoetsekMeghan is trending. People who worked at the mansion she stayed at in South Africa are fuming that she called it a “housing unit”, lied about the fire (didn’t happen - no flames at all), then turned it into a sob story at having to do another engagement afterwards which would have been completely appropriate for Archie to attend. It was the event where Meghan decided that everyone sit on the floor in their beautiful dresses with their babies just so she could look more “down to Earth”. In her own words “I’m such a fraud”. South African security confirms Meghan Markle’s story of Archie nursery fire ‘When we stopped at the residence, I can tell you that she didn’t get out of the car like a lady normally gets out. She bolted into the house.’ www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/meghan-markle-archie-nursery-fire-b2155296.html |
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Post by mel on Aug 30, 2022 12:18:08 GMT
Flames or "just smoke" like palace insiders claimed, both could have been extremely dangerous if Archie had been in the room. Meghan may or may not have exaggerated and called it a fire, but it was a serious situation either way, and I have no doubt Harry and Meghan were terrified and shaken up.
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Post by Sarzy on Aug 30, 2022 13:31:50 GMT
Nelson Mandela's grandson today slammed Meghan Markle for suggesting her marriage to Prince Harry sparked scenes of joy in South Africa reminiscent of the 1990 release of the legendary anti-apartheid campaigner after 27 years in jail, telling MailOnline: 'It cannot be equated to as the same'. Zwelivelile 'Mandla' Mandela has said he was 'surprised' at her remarks in The Cut magazine when she claimed that three years ago a cast member of the Lion King had made the comparison between her royal wedding and Madiba's historic walk to freedom. Zwelivelile said when the people of South Africa expressed their joy at his grandfather's release and danced in the streets, it was for a far more important and serious reason than her marriage 'to a white prince'. The African National Congress MP added: 'We are still bearing scars of the past. But they were (Mr Mandela's celebrations) a product of the majority of our people being brought out onto the streets to exercise the right of voting for the first time.' www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11159869/EXCLUSIVE-Nelson-Mandelas-grandson-slams-Meghan-Markle.html |
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Post by no1novice on Aug 30, 2022 20:00:11 GMT
Question.
If she had named a different South African would the average American on the street even have known who they were?
Christiaan Barnard?
Nkosi Johnson?
Steve Biko?
Surely Desmond Tutu?
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Post by czb on Aug 30, 2022 20:37:12 GMT
i dunno. i don't hate MM but the mandela comment is an example of her self-aggrandizement. she gets the Tool award on that one. *shrugs*
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Post by sputnik on Aug 30, 2022 23:04:50 GMT
^^^^
this. i'm the first to criticise the british or australian media when they're being racist trolls but the mandela story made me roll my eyes. like i said in my other comment, even if it's true, she should never have repeated the story because it makes it sound like she's actually comparing herself to mandela. she could have phrased it differently or said that people were glad to see a WOC in that role, anything, just not that.
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