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Post by sputnik on Jul 31, 2022 10:31:07 GMT
I'm still waiting to for people to be that upset about Pedolanski still making movies and winning prices, but I guess the "separate the man from the artist" only works for pedophiles and rapists. i think it's a similar thing where different people have different red lines. i can very easily separate the two and it's extremely rare that i'll stop watching someone's work if i enjoy it because of something they did in their life. weinstein produced amazing movies that i think stand the test of time, odious as the man is. some of spacey's performances are among my all time favourites. polanski has made some pretty perfect movies that i will rewatch, and i've always been a fan of woody allen's work. are they odious people? yes. but i can separate the art from the artist but i get that some people can't. |
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Post by czb on Jul 31, 2022 15:17:03 GMT
yeah, i definitely separate the artist from the person.
beethoven was probably an asshole. picasso, too.
assholes are everywhere. just look at anyone's workplace.
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Post by firebrat1229 on Jul 31, 2022 15:17:04 GMT
I'm just tired of hearing about this. "The slap that was heard around the world" has been interesting for like 2 minutes. Pampered people acting like fools, now that is earthshattering. I'd appreciate if everyone involved would just stop talking about it and resume the priviledged life they've been living. Will should really stop apologizing, intellectualizing and seeking forgiveness from the public. Get over it! Seriously, this. Just own your shit and STFU about it. Jesus Christ. |
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Post by MsDark on Jul 31, 2022 16:06:07 GMT
He seemed to be fine with it the rest of that night. He was able to pose for pics, go to all the after parties and have a good time.
But after he (and by extension his family) had to face consequences and realize people thought he was shitty/ruined the night, he's all in his head about it. Now every time we have to deal with either of these two they won't be shutting up about it. And everyone they didn't lose as fans or who is still paying attention is going to get tired of this.
This will probably turn out to be the best punishment.
Chris' "don't call me I'll call you" (and then never calling) is exactly the right move. The few times he's made reference to it he's made it entertaining. I think he's earned the right to this. I think he's earned the right to use/mention this more than he has so far, frankly. And I would rather listen to what he has to say than any of the Smiths. But I think the fact that he's only used sporadically and comedically and NOT talked about it is a brilliant move.
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Post by lindsaywhit on Jul 31, 2022 16:09:21 GMT
I'm still waiting to for people to be that upset about Pedolanski still making movies and winning prices, but I guess the "separate the man from the artist" only works for pedophiles and rapists. i think it's a similar thing where different people have different red lines. i can very easily separate the two and it's extremely rare that i'll stop watching someone's work if i enjoy it because of something they did in their life. weinstein produced amazing movies that i think stand the test of time, odious as the man is. some of spacey's performances are among my all time favourites. polanski has made some pretty perfect movies that i will rewatch, and i've always been a fan of woody allen's work. are they odious people? yes. but i can separate the art from the artist but i get that some people can't. Another one is Michael Jackson - he was obviously a sick puppy, but the man was a brilliant artist and so many of his songs are an integral part of major moments in my life. Ditto on Weinstein's movies and Spacey's performances. (Keyser Soze is one of my top all-time favorite performances.)I also always wonder what I don't know about other artists whose work inspires and delights me. The thing is, I'm not at all consistent because while I loved the Cosby Show, knowing about Bill has tainted any work he's ever done - and I loved him as far back in history as I Spy. (shrugs) Each to their own, I guess. |
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Post by albatross on Jul 31, 2022 17:37:29 GMT
I find I can 'separate the man from the artist' better if the two really feel separate to me. For example, I can't with Cosby because the way he presented himself as 'the man' (i.e., his public persona) was the same as the characters he portrayed - Bill Cosby in the pudding commercials and the Cosby Show was the same as the man he was in interviews. On the other hand, if an actor actually disappears into roles, then I can separate the two. I put Spacey into this category - when I watch The Usual Suspects, I see a completely different person than in Seven or American Beauty, so I feel like I'm seeing the characters rather than Kevin Spacey.
For similar reasons, I find easier to make that separation with directors or producers - they're not in the final product (beyond a possible cameo), so it's easy to separate them from their films. Honestly, I rarely even think about the director or producer when I'm watching something. I tend to choose films/tv for the story rather than wanting to see the latest film from a particular director. As far a Woody Allen is concerned, I've never liked his films, so I don't feel any need to separate man and artist.
Honestly, I think the only person is Hollywood that I would be devastated to find out is an asshole would be Keanu Reeves.
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Post by no1novice on Jul 31, 2022 19:22:10 GMT
I'm still waiting to for people to be that upset about Pedolanski still making movies and winning prices, but I guess the "separate the man from the artist" only works for pedophiles and rapists. I cannot do that and haven't watched a Polanski or Allan film in years. I haven't knowingly watched a Will Smith film or TV show in Eons either but that's because I think that he's a dick & he ruins them for me. None of the above is getting a penny from me in tickets, viewing figures or YouTube clicks for his faux apology. I find it slightly amusing that the Pinkett-Smiths are agrieved that Chris Rock isn't publically doing more to accept their apology. If Pinkett had not wound up Smith like her little clockwork protector they would have got so much more mileage out of that night. |
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Post by chalet on Jul 31, 2022 21:52:02 GMT
Will Smith, seriously, has his own zip code. Feel the shame and stop bothering Chris.  We've talked about cancelling on GR for years. I like to hear what people really think about. I won't stop watching those who I've enjoyed my whole life. When I'm watching their work, I'm not thinking about anything else. Woody, Mel Gibson (tell me not to watch Year of Living Dangerously or Mrs. Soffel, ya), Alec, Spacey. Cosby I can live without. |
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Post by waterslide on Jul 31, 2022 23:02:42 GMT
^I think I'm too lazy to live in a house that large. That property is a whole ass neighborhood.
I usually can separate the artist from the work, but Cosby is one of the exceptions. I think it's because he had that goofy shtick and that shtick bled through everything he touched. If I see a clip of him on The Cosby Show, knowing what I know now, I just feel like he was laughing at the audience and laughing all the way to the bank. On top of that, he was constantly preachy and judgmental so his riding the coatttails of being America's Very Moral Dad while being a serial rapist is something I can't make my brain forget. I think he used his goofy, seemingly harmless hoobly-doobly, wicky wacky act to disarm his victims and charm everyone else into not seeing what he really was.
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Post by kittylady on Jul 31, 2022 23:23:40 GMT
I'm still waiting to for people to be that upset about Pedolanski still making movies and winning prices, but I guess the "separate the man from the artist" only works for pedophiles and rapists. I cannot do that and haven't watched a Polanski or Allan film in years. I haven't knowingly watched a Will Smith film or TV show in Eons either but that's because I think that he's a dick & he ruins them for me. None of the above is getting a penny from me in tickets, viewing figures or YouTube clicks for his faux apology. I find it slightly amusing that the Pinkett-Smiths are agrieved that Chris Rock isn't publically doing more to accept their apology.
If Pinkett had not wound up Smith like her little clockwork protector they would have got so much more mileage out of that night.I think Jada is more pissed that they aren't getting invited to shit. Her face/reaction after the slap said everything about her. |
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Post by Pixie on Aug 1, 2022 10:13:48 GMT
I'm still waiting to for people to be that upset about Pedolanski still making movies and winning prices, but I guess the "separate the man from the artist" only works for pedophiles and rapists. I cannot do that and haven't watched a Polanski or Allan film in years. I haven't knowingly watched a Will Smith film or TV show in Eons either but that's because I think that he's a dick & he ruins them for me. None of the above is getting a penny from me in tickets, viewing figures or YouTube clicks for his faux apology. That’s my stand too, like I dont hate watch things on YouTube because I don’t want to promote stuff I find hateful. Sput>> I mostly mean people crying out to ”cancel” Smith over that slap. Abhorrent though as it was, it was a slap, Chris Rocks isn’t traumatized, yet people are reacting like it’s the worlds biggest deal. My point wa I’m sure most of them aren’t that outraged when actual crime was committed. |
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Post by sputnik on Aug 1, 2022 10:22:49 GMT
I cannot do that and haven't watched a Polanski or Allan film in years. I haven't knowingly watched a Will Smith film or TV show in Eons either but that's because I think that he's a dick & he ruins them for me. None of the above is getting a penny from me in tickets, viewing figures or YouTube clicks for his faux apology. That’s my stand too, like I dont hate watch things on YouTube because I don’t want to promote stuff I find hateful. Sput>> I mostly mean people crying out to ”cancel” Smith over that slap. Abhorrent though as it was, it was a slap, Chris Rocks isn’t traumatized, yet people are reacting like it’s the worlds biggest deal. My point wa I’m sure most of them aren’t that outraged when actual crime was committed. Totally agree. I feel like in the US, every little thing is a reason to try to cancel someone and everything gets blown out of proportion. As for Polanski and Allen, they mostly work in Europe now and it’s been years since they won any awards in the US. The last Polanski award scandal was at the Césars or Cannes, not in the US. But then Europe hasn’t taken to cancel culture the way the US has, and honestly I think that’s mostly a good thing, because if everything is a scandal, nothing is a scandal (slapgate is the perfect example) and the only thing that happens is people ignore it, or it sparks a backlash to the point that you get shit like the Johnny depp trial that in many ways can be interpreted as an indictment on me too and cancel culture as a whole. |
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Post by no1novice on Aug 1, 2022 14:47:15 GMT
Agreed
There is also the whole condemning someone prior to "trial".
I'm not going to mention any names because it's a long list but it ruins people's lives without the opportunity to defend themselves.
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Post by tulip on Aug 1, 2022 23:46:38 GMT
Sometimes I can separate, sometimes I can't. Easier if I wasn't a big fan to begin with.
Mr. Jello Pudding Pop, I can't with him at all anymore. As has been said, his fame is based on his good-guy persona. When you are inherently not good, and are, in fact a slimy rapist, your fame is going to take a huge dive. Can't separate the body of work from the person.
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Post by gruser1 on Aug 2, 2022 6:59:26 GMT
The way he's speaking sounds weirdly robotic to me, like he's not 100% there or OK?
Not saying this to justify him or anything - celebrities don't need stans, they are filthy rich and privileged anyway.
I just find the pacing, tone, and enunciation strange.
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