Johnny Depp’s $50m defamation lawsuit against Amber Heard

[shellee]

May 19, 2022 22:51:23 GMT waterslide said:

May 19, 2022 22:44:38 GMT trixie said:

Ha, I'm a total nobody on twitter and I'm not saying a word. I don't want the Depp beehive after me. It's frickin' insane.

Yeah, I use my twitter to keep in touch with RL people so there's no way I'm throwing myself into the fray over there. I can't change their minds or even politely ask them to think of looking at both sides and I don't negotiate with trolls.  I might have liked a comment here or there on people's locked accounts (but probably not), but I have not interacted with anyone.  

Speaking of which, you don’t follow me on Twitter missy.

[greysfang]

Like you’re ever on Twitter.

[shellee]

I was last night.

[lalasnake]

May 21, 2022 1:45:00 GMT notoriousmkg said:

May 21, 2022 0:29:12 GMT MsDark said:

As to whether Depp threw a wine bottle or tossed it, it probably doesn't matter much because legal analysts were discussing just this point and saying that Depp was denying that he was "abusive", which takes many forms, not just hurling glass bottles at people.  In addition, it also would not matter if there were times that Heard was also abusive because the basis of the suit is not her behavior.

Depp has three counts to win or lose on: The print edition of AH's op-ed, the online edition of the op-ed, & her quote tweet of the op-ed. It's my understanding that before her quote tweet, the statute of limitation had run out on defamation regarding the op-ed, & her quote tweet basically restarted it, allowing him to sue.

I think he's likely to lose on the print edition count, because abuse can emotional & he was clearly emotionally abusive, even if he wasn't physically abusive.

I'd say he would be unlikely to win the online edition count, except that a few times in the trial a witness or AH indicated that the sexual abuse headline was important to her & she pushed back on suggestions to remove JD identifying details. It seemed like from the opening statements that they would be trying to claim that the sexual violence aspect was a different boyfriend, but she's doubled down on it throughout the trial. It's not convincing, though, & the physical violence allegations are also not supported by the evidence.

I think JD will definitely win on the quote tweet count, since she totally quote tweeted it with "Today I published this op-ed..." etc. with the "I spoke up against sexual violence" headline right there. 

[chaz]

My verdict is (imho) he was/is violent and abusive. That's been proven by video, texts, testimony from witnesses & his own behavior in court. I view this court case as a form of abuse.

He comes across as having no concept or awareness of being a different person whilst under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

[notoriousmkg]

The DailyBeast has an Op Ed (https://www.thedailybeast.com/amber-heard-witnesses-made-waves-but-will-johnny-depp-recover-in-defamation-trial?ref=home) from yesterday about Depp's behavior during and after a film that Heard was making with Billy Bob Thornton. Depp was insistent that there be no nudity from Heard in the film, and somehow he got the mistaken impression that the producers had pressured her to do it anyway and that she went along with it. Which apparently was untrue. But it was his reaction to it that was the subject of testimony.  Here is a passage from the article:

Heard’s allegations were only bolstered by testimony from Depp’s former agent, Tracy Jacobs, who said via video deposition that the actor’s disdain for the film was so severe that he even tried to shut down production. Jacobs, who was Depp’s agent for about three decades, told jurors that she remembered that the request came in a series of angry emails about Heard’s character’s nude scenes in the film.

“It is in Amber’s contract that there will be no nudity and her fucking agents are weak and insipid,” Depp wrote in one email to Jacobs, which was shown in court. “Will you please call these motherfuckers and you and Jake get on this immediately?”

In a second email shown to jurors, Depp added: “It must be shut down or I will sue them eighteen ways from fucking Sunday. These people are nobodies in this business and they should be made to understand that we will ruin them instantly.”

[beeyotch]

May 21, 2022 1:45:00 GMT notoriousmkg said:

May 21, 2022 0:29:12 GMT MsDark said:

I should probably have said JD got to be with Ellen B in her prime, but....

Ellen B is ten years older than Johnny Depp and could probably STILL put it on a dude way better than Johnny could probably now manage with a woman even if you got him sober.

I totally agree.  This is one of the few times that Mrs Mo and I disagreed on someone.  When she saw Barkin's taped testimony, Mrs Mo said, "OMG, what happened to Ellen Barkin?"  I looked, and it appeared that Barkin wasn't wearing makeup, but I thought she looked pretty good.  Then, I found out she's 68 -- for that age, I think she looks fantastic.

As to whether Depp threw a wine bottle or tossed it, it probably doesn't matter much because legal analysts were discussing just this point and saying that Depp was denying that he was "abusive", which takes many forms, not just hurling glass bottles at people.  In addition, it also would not matter if there were times that Heard was also abusive because the basis of the suit is not her behavior.

Ellen Barkin looks good for any age, and fantastic *especially* given her age. 

And I just don't understand how people can gloss over the fact that anyone throwing bottles is still violent and abusive even if it didn't hit anyone. This blind Depp love is incredibly disturbing and GROSS. Just like the Trumptards. Turning a willfully blind eye to the obvious, for stupid reasons.

[dolem]

It's very weird. I see it on reddit and I can't even open those threads. I'm of the opinion that they were mutually abusive towards each other. I'm not a psychologist so I can't analyze if her behavior was in response to his own or not.

The blind Depp love and the crazy love for his lawyer is beyond creepy.

[no1novice]

Dr. David Spiegel, an expert in behavioral sciences specifically on drug and alcohol use and intimate partner violence, took the stand Monday.

He said that Depp has exhibited 'behaviors that are conscience with someone who has a substance use disorder.'

Dr. Spiegel said that his review of the evidence showed that Depp was a 'perpetrator of intimate partner violence.'

Dr. Spiegel told the court that he was 'not here to impeach Mr. Depp's acting skills or his persona, he has way greater skills than I do in that'.

The doctor said he was there to talk about how drugs and alcohol can cause 'bad things to happen' when people go past their limit.

Dr. Spiegel reeled off the substances that Depp abused: alcohol, amphetamines, marijuana, cocaine, LSD, ecstasy, opiates and others, often at the same time.

He said that Depp's drug use caused a concerning level of damage to his memory, as evidenced by his former therapist asking him to remember three words and repeat them five minutes later.

Dr. Spiegel said: 'Mr. Depp was unable to recall any of them and that's very unusual for a 50-ish year old male.

'Generally speaking that age group should be remembering two or all three of those words. I do know his lines were also fed to him by earpiece.

'Any one of us who used alcohol and cocaine to that level of degree - I'm talking about a severe level - is going to have effects.'

Some patients like Depp can mistakenly think that illegal substances make them function better, something the actor testified to.

But actually it was causing harm and Depp needed his lines fed to him through an earpiece and caused him to pass out drunk.

Dr. Spiegel said: 'Part of that could have been due to the fact that he confessed to doing a movie entirely wasted, so it would be harder to do that.

'You can tell the processing speed was down. If your thinking rate is down - I'm talking about so slow when we're trying to move onto other questions you're still trying to process the original data passed on to us.

'Fortunately during this trial I see Mr. Depp's cognition has improved so I commend him on that.'





Dr. Spiegel said that evidence like the video of Depp smashing up his kitchen and the firing and rehiring of his personal doctor showed he had a 'significant trouble with delaying gratification.'

One way to make that 'significantly worse is with substances', Dr. Spiegel said.

Dr. Spiegel said that Depp's use of vulgar language in texts was 'disturbing.'

He said: 'I have no problem with people being angry but the expressing of it and continual ranting was very uncomfortable to read'.

Depp was taking so many prescription drugs that he needed them to wake up in the morning and send him to sleep.

When Depp took prescription drugs and took controlled substances together, it resulted in unexpected effects.

Dr. Spiegel said: 'You start getting irritable, you start getting agitated, suspicious, jealous, potentially disinhibited, psychotic.

'We're talking about not your average everyday use of these substances, we're talking about chronic use together

'You're playing with fire when you're talking about substances and intimate partner violence.'

Adding illegal substances to a situation where domestic violence was an issue meant his brain could no longer 'prevent' Depp from physically assaulting Heard even though such behavior was 'wrong'.

According to Dr. Spiegel, Depp had a 'history of self injurious behavior, meaning cutting himself, burning himself.'

Dr. Spiegel reeled of the characteristics of narcissists and addressed whether they applied to Depp.

He said: 'Narcissism patients have poor control, rapid mood shifts, undue sense of admiration, worship power, they worship control.

'They have a lack of empathy and people are generally kept around as long as they are useful to them, a large sense of entitlement. Need for praise, and intimate partner violence'.

According to Dr. Spiegel, being envious and have a 'fragile self esteem' were part of being a narcissistic.

Asked if Depp was a narcissistic, he said: 'I do think that the fact he thought that Amber owed him and only wanted to be together with him because of his fame is an example of that. I think the jealousy is an example of that.

'This whole trial in terms of a narcissistic insult is what's going on.'

During cross examination Dr. Spiegel clashed with Depp's lawyer Wayne Dennison repeatedly.

Judge Penney Azcarate twice had to tell Dr. Spiegel to just answer the questions because he gave meandering answers, frequently licking his lips.

Dr. Spiegel apologized to the judge saying he was 'getting into' things with Dennison.

Dennison asked if Dr. Spiegel made his assessment by comparing Depp's performance in the Pirates of the Caribbean films with a video deposition he gave.

According to Dr. Spiegel, he 'misspoke' when he said that.

However he defended the practice and said that 'you can judge someone's processing speed at any time as a baseline'.

Dennison asked: 'Any of Mr. Depp's other portrayals in movies that affect your analysis of processing speed?

'Willy Wonka doesn't matter to you? You seen that movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? You look at that movie when comparing his processing speed?'

Turning to the judge, Dr. Spiegel said: 'Do I have to answer that question?' - she replied that he did.

'I didn't see Willy Wonka. I didn't see 21 Jump Street,' said Dr. Spiegel, referring to Depp's films.

Dennison asked if it was correct that Dr. Spiegel called Depp an 'idiot' in a deposition he gave for the case.

Dr. Spiegel claimed he didn't call Depp an idiot but called his 'planning' an idiot because he had taken an overnight flight from Europe the night before the deposition for the trial.

After if it was his practice to describe his patients as idiots, Dr. Spiegel said no.

Dennison said: 'You sat for a deposition and described the plaintiff as an idiot?'

Dr. Spiegel said: 'If I said it, it was an idiot in planning.'

And

Surgeon testifies that Johnny Depp's sliced fingertip after blowout fight with Amber Heard is 'not consistent' with being cut off by a vodka bottle, as the actor has claimed
Day 20 of the Amber Heard vs. Johnny Depp defamation trial kicked off Monday in Fairfax, Virginia
The first witness of the day was Dr. Richard Moore, an orthopedic surgeon based in North Carolina who specializes in hand surgery
During the drink and drug-fueled argument in March 2015, Depp's fingertips got sliced off - Depp claims that Heard did it when she threw a bottle of vodka at him but she claims that he smashed it off with a phone
Testifying as an expert for Heard's legal team, Dr. Moore said that the idea that Depp's finger was sliced off with a bottle was 'not consistent' with the evidence
Depp claimed that the bottle 'exploded' after hitting his hand but Dr. Moore said the absence of glass injuries on his hand suggested this was not the case
He said that the medical files he reviewed 'did not document the presence of any glass shards and no other associated injuries on the hand'

[chaz]

When is the trial due to wrap up?

[MsDark]

Yes, time to wrap it up.

But since JD is paying top dollar to put on this show perhaps he wants it to go on a little longer

[dksnj]

May 24, 2022 3:18:51 GMT chaz said:

When is the trial due to wrap up?

The judge is requiring it be wrapped up by Memorial Day.

She gave each side a certain number of hours to present and there is a countdown clock for each of them in the courtroom.

Closing arguments are expected Friday, May 27

[no1novice]

This baby is yours!' Johnny Depp trial takes even stranger turn when fan holds up her child and tells Pirates of the Caribbean actor claiming he's the FATHER

*An unidentified woman shouted at Johnny Depp during a break in Monday's court proceedings, claiming he was the father of her child
*The outburst came after Judge Penney Azcarate left the courtroom
*'Johnny, I love you! Our souls are connected,' the woman exclaimed as she stood up with the baby
*Depp simply turned to her, smiled and waved - as he often has during the trial, which enters its seventh week on Tuesday
*The woman then held up the baby and claimed Depp was the father as a deputy approached her
*According to Law & Crime, the woman in question later said that she was joking .



Johnny Depp's defamation trial against his ex-wife Amber Heard took another bizarre turn Monday when a woman held up a child and shouted, 'This baby is yours!' at the Pirates of the Caribbean actor.

The unidentified woman's outburst came during a break after Judge Penney Azcarate left the courtroom.

'Johnny, I love you! Our souls are connected,' the woman exclaimed as she stood up with the baby.


Depp simply turned to her, smiled and waved - as he often has during strange moments of the trial, which enters its seventh week on Tuesday, according to Law & Crime.


The woman then held up the baby and claimed Depp was the father as a deputy approached her.

The deputy escorted the woman from the courtroom, clipping off her wristband that allowed her access to the trial.

The outburst caused a bit of commotion in the courtroom that had to be calmed down.  

Funny (not) how every.single.move of JD’s attack got coverage but there is so much less coverage for AH’s defence 

 13:59
This is how much time each side has used in the case so far
Both Depp and Heard's legal teams each get 61 hours to present their cases.

Depp's team has used 45 hrs 24 mins with 15 hours and 51 minutes remaining.

Heard's team has used 57 hours six mins of time with 4 hours and nine minutes remaining.

[chaz]

Anyone else notice how much makeup Depp wears? I'm thinking the eyeliner is tattooed on

[daphodil]

May 23, 2022 15:20:13 GMT beeyotch said:

May 21, 2022 1:45:00 GMT notoriousmkg said:

I totally agree.  This is one of the few times that Mrs Mo and I disagreed on someone.  When she saw Barkin's taped testimony, Mrs Mo said, "OMG, what happened to Ellen Barkin?"  I looked, and it appeared that Barkin wasn't wearing makeup, but I thought she looked pretty good.  Then, I found out she's 68 -- for that age, I think she looks fantastic.

As to whether Depp threw a wine bottle or tossed it, it probably doesn't matter much because legal analysts were discussing just this point and saying that Depp was denying that he was "abusive", which takes many forms, not just hurling glass bottles at people.  In addition, it also would not matter if there were times that Heard was also abusive because the basis of the suit is not her behavior.

Ellen Barkin looks good for any age, and fantastic *especially* given her age. 

And I just don't understand how people can gloss over the fact that anyone throwing bottles is still violent and abusive even if it didn't hit anyone. This blind Depp love is incredibly disturbing and GROSS. Just like the Trumptards. Turning a willfully blind eye to the obvious, for stupid reasons.

Ellen Barkin had a bad, bad facelift years ago. She was so gorgeous in such a different but super sexy way (hello Big Easy, I'm looking at you). I'm glad she walked away from all that - she does look great especially considering how bad she looked after her procedures.