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Post by notoriousmkg on Feb 10, 2022 23:27:13 GMT
HLN Channel has been having a marathon today on famous missing children's cases (right now, 6:23 EST, it's Lisa Irwin), in 30 minutes, Haleigh Cummings). To sum up the cases they are covering Kyron Horman - disap peared in 2010 at age 7 - still missing
Lisa Irwin - disappeared in 2011 at age 10 months - still missing
Haleigh Cummings - disappeared in 2009 at age 5 - still missing
One that they are not covering (as far as I know): Sky Metalwala - disappeared in 2011 at age 2 |
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Post by kittylady on Feb 11, 2022 9:05:56 GMT
The only one I'm familiar with is Kyle Horman, and that's from reading about it on OG-GR. I'm still hoping that one day they ffind him and make his stepmother talk.
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Post by Sarzy on Feb 11, 2022 14:49:25 GMT
I'm surprised the Kyron Hormon case still isn't solved. I've read about all the other cases before but I'd need to have another read up to remind myself about them.
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Post by louiswinthorpe111 on Feb 11, 2022 15:43:38 GMT
^^ The cops probably know, they just don't have enough evidence.
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Post by notoriousmkg on Feb 11, 2022 16:28:24 GMT
Speaking of Kyron, I want to mention something from the special yesterday that puzzled me:
At one point (two years after the disappearance), Desiree Young, Kyron's bio mother, had launched a huge civil suit against Terri Horman, blaming her for the disappearance. About a year later, Young dropped the suit, claiming she didn't want to do something that would harm the police investigation. Terri Horman claimed to be vindicated by this and said that she has never been arrested or named as a suspect because the police have "exculpatory evidence" about her, and that they are holding onto it as part of their investigation. By the way, during this civil suit period, a close friend of Terri Horman's was deposed. Her friend had gone missing from her job for 90 minutes during the same period that Kyron had initially disappeared (after the morning science fair). This friend refused to answer all 142 question put to her in the deposition. Why?
Anyway, it's been 9 years since then. Why doesn't Desiree Young re-launch her suit now (if an attorney will take it up again)? What does she have to lose? Clearly, the police investigation has gone literally nowhere.
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Post by Cartermrc on Mar 9, 2022 21:41:57 GMT
We live in Oregon so Kyle Horman's story was all over our news. He reminded me of our son at that age, glasses included. Sadly, I don't think he's alive and hasn't been almost from the beginning of his disappearance.
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Post by dolem on Mar 9, 2022 21:47:18 GMT
Oregonian here, too. Desiree Young was recently protesting outside the courthouse in Portland. She said her goal was to get the police to re-invigorate the investigation.
I think he's gone and has been since the very beginning. His stepmom did something but who knows what it was. I didn't know that information about her friend, that's interesting.
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Post by greysfang on Mar 13, 2022 17:23:39 GMT
The Kyron and Sky cases still bother me
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Post by sputnik on Mar 13, 2022 18:06:49 GMT
Speaking of Kyron, I want to mention something from the special yesterday that puzzled me: At one point (two years after the disappearance), Desiree Young, Kyron's bio mother, had launched a huge civil suit against Terri Horman, blaming her for the disappearance. About a year later, Young dropped the suit, claiming she didn't want to do something that would harm the police investigation. Terri Horman claimed to be vindicated by this and said that she has never been arrested or named as a suspect because the police have "exculpatory evidence" about her, and that they are holding onto it as part of their investigation. By the way, during this civil suit period, a close friend of Terri Horman's was deposed. Her friend had gone missing from her job for 90 minutes during the same period that Kyron had initially disappeared (after the morning science fair). This friend refused to answer all 142 question put to her in the deposition. Why? Anyway, it's been 9 years since then. Why doesn't Desiree Young re-launch her suit now (if an attorney will take it up again)? What does she have to lose? Clearly, the police investigation has gone literally nowhere. what's the point of a civil suit in a missing child case? unless they can show culpability and get money, but that person still won't go to jail or be declared guilty. at least with the OJ case nicole and ron's parents could get money out of him but it doesn't look like that's the case here so maybe i'm missing something but i don't get how a civil suit isn't a waste of time and money in this case? |
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Post by notoriousmkg on Mar 14, 2022 13:04:04 GMT
Speaking of Kyron, I want to mention something from the special yesterday that puzzled me: At one point (two years after the disappearance), Desiree Young, Kyron's bio mother, had launched a huge civil suit against Terri Horman, blaming her for the disappearance. About a year later, Young dropped the suit, claiming she didn't want to do something that would harm the police investigation. Terri Horman claimed to be vindicated by this and said that she has never been arrested or named as a suspect because the police have "exculpatory evidence" about her, and that they are holding onto it as part of their investigation. By the way, during this civil suit period, a close friend of Terri Horman's was deposed. Her friend had gone missing from her job for 90 minutes during the same period that Kyron had initially disappeared (after the morning science fair). This friend refused to answer all 142 question put to her in the deposition. Why? Anyway, it's been 9 years since then. Why doesn't Desiree Young re-launch her suit now (if an attorney will take it up again)? What does she have to lose? Clearly, the police investigation has gone literally nowhere. what's the point of a civil suit in a missing child case? unless they can show culpability and get money, but that person still won't go to jail or be declared guilty. at least with the OJ case nicole and ron's parents could get money out of him but it doesn't look like that's the case here so maybe i'm missing something but i don't get how a civil suit isn't a waste of time and money in this case? I think there are two reasons. One is that they get some measure of satisfaction that a court found them culpable - like in a wrongful death suit. Which I believe is what Ron Goldman's father launched after OJ Simpson's criminal trial. The burden of proof is lower - so, all the court would need to do is find someone contributed 51% or more to Kyron's disappearance or death. The other reason -- I think -- is that because is a civil trial incarceration is not on the table, evidentiary rules are different. I think that the stepmother could be compelled to provide testimony without pleading the 5th. However, because a criminal trial never occurred and is still a possibility - maybe not? I think another question is what evidence the police could be compelled to provide in a civil trial vs a criminal one. After 12 years, I think they obviously have very little. Terri Horman says that the evidence they are holding onto would exonerate her. I think Desiree Young deserves to see for herself whether that is the case or not. |
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Post by sputnik on Mar 14, 2022 13:26:23 GMT
thanks, mo. it's still so fucking weird that you can sue over someone's death in civil court when a police investigation hasn't concluded an investigation and no one has been tried in a criminal court. it's fucking bizarre.
i can see why she would want the satisfaction of a verdict, even if it's a civil one and there's no prison sentence. and you raise an interesting point about the stepmother being compelled to testify even though there's never been a criminal trial, and also if the police will want to show all their cards even though they don't have enough to arrest a suspect.
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Post by notoriousmkg on Mar 14, 2022 15:12:41 GMT
After 12 years of literally nothing, I feel like the police should share with Desiree Young everything they know. I also think I may be wrong about being able to lodge a civil case when there hasn't been a determination already in a corresponding criminal case.
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Post by sputnik on Mar 14, 2022 15:47:27 GMT
After 12 years of literally nothing, I feel like the police should share with Desiree Young everything they know. I also think I may be wrong about being able to lodge a civil case when there hasn't been a determination already in a corresponding criminal case. you would think. but then you hear of cold cases being solved based on evidence that hadn't been disclosed to the public at the time of the crime so i can understand wanting to keep things under wraps even if it absolutely sucks for the mom. |
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Post by dilligaf on Mar 14, 2022 16:18:24 GMT
The baby Lisa Story has always haunted me, Summer Wells from Tennessee, the baby Sabrina case too, just so sad little girls never found. Baby Sabrina: abcnews.go.com/US/disappearance-baby-sabrina-aisenberg-case-stands-today/story?id=53757079"Pete McDonald lived in the same subdivision as the Aisenbergs in 1997 who lived in the same subdivision. On the night Sabrina disappeared, McDonald’s dog woke him, as he did every night, to go outside. McDonald has since passed away. According to McDonald’s wife Mary, “Pete let him out the back door, and as he’s opening up the door, he hears a baby crying. He said, ‘Well that’s odd, I don’t know anybody that has a baby,’” Mary McDonald told “20/20.” “He didn’t think anything of it ‘til I call him at work the next day and tell him, ‘Baby Sabrina is missing. The Aisenbergs’ baby was gone in the middle of the night.’" “Then he says, ‘Wow, I heard a baby crying in the middle of the night,” added McDonald. No one followed up with her husband after he called the authorities about what he heard, Mary McDonald said." Baby Lisa: www.kshb.com/news/local-news/baby-lisas-parents-still-hopeful-for-her-return-10-years-later"KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Lisa Irwin disappeared 10 years ago. Her disappearance rocked Kansas City and captured the country’s attention. Days turned to weeks and months with no answers. Baby Lisa, as she became known, had vanished. A decade later, her parents spoke with KSBH 41 News about their hope to have their daughter back someday and being under the microscope in her disappearance. Lisa was 10 months old when she disappeared. Her parents' pleas for her return became national headlines as police and other agencies like the FBI searched for Baby Lisa. Deborah Bradley says she last saw her daughter on Oct. 3, 2011, when she put her to bed in their Northland home. She said Jeremy Irwin was working overnight. “Jeremy came home early in the morning and went into Lisa’s room and she wasn’t there,” Bradley said. “Jeremy comes in the room panicked and shakes me awake and says, ‘Where’s Lisa?’ And I said, ‘What do you mean where’s Lisa? She’s in her room.’ And he said, ‘No, she’s not.' Immediately, like you, you panic instantly.” Bradley said when Jeremy returned early the morning of Oct. 4, 2011, he found the front door unlocked and cell phones missing. “I see the window’s broken, and that’s when it hit me, someone had to have taken her, and instantly you’re just like, ‘This isn’t real. This isn’t happening. Where is she?’” Bradley said." Summer Wells: www.fox5atlanta.com/news/summer-wells-disappearance-search-continues-for-young-tennessee-girl"ROGERSVILLE, Tenn. - More than eight months after officials issued an Amber Alert for a young missing Tennessee girl, multiple agencies returned to the rugged terrain surrounding her home in hopes of finding closure for her family. Summer Moon-Utah Wells should have been celebrating her 6th birthday last month with her family at their home in the northwest Tennessee county of Hawkins. It is something investigators keep in mind as the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and local sheriff's office continue to search for any evidence surrounding her disappearance. The young girl was reported missing in June." |
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Post by notoriousmkg on Mar 14, 2022 17:40:38 GMT
After 12 years of literally nothing, I feel like the police should share with Desiree Young everything they know. I also think I may be wrong about being able to lodge a civil case when there hasn't been a determination already in a corresponding criminal case. you would think. but then you hear of cold cases being solved based on evidence that hadn't been disclosed to the public at the time of the crime so i can understand wanting to keep things under wraps even if it absolutely sucks for the mom. You do bring up a good point in that a lot of cold cases do get solved many years later. Great examples are pre-DNA murders (prior to 1987) where evidence was collected and retained and tested much later. The best example right now would be the Golden State Killer. I think the reason he was caught was because they had male DNA collected from rape kits long ago, and were able to match it with people (close relatives to GSK) who had contributed to databases like 23andMe. In those cases, though, they had either a body (live or deceased) and biological DNA that was left at the scene. In Kyron Horman's case, they would have almost none of that. They could have a blood stain from Kyron in his stepmom's car, but it wouldn't necessarily mean foul play. Unless it was in the trunk or something. |
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