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Post by firebrat1229 on Oct 19, 2022 22:41:10 GMT
Agreed. Kanye is fucking terrifying right now.
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Post by sputnik on Oct 19, 2022 23:08:32 GMT
i have mixed feelings about the kids not liking her posing nude thing. i mean, i get that it makes kids uncomfortable but i also think kids don't get veto power over everything their parents do. not just with regards to britney who's a mess for a lot of reasons and her nudity is quite honestly the last thing about her i find concerning.
but in general, a lot of women have been famous for posing nude and also have kids, and they didn't stop doing it just because they had kids. there's something that irks me about that logic, it's like giving into the madonna whore dichotomy where you're either a mother (virtuous, wholesome, dressed) or a whore (naked, sexual, etc) and fuck that shit. lots of actresses with kids still do sex scenes, there are nude models who have children and continue to work, etc. i bet a lot of their kids don't like it either but that's what therapy is for and hopefully when they grow up they'll realise they were just being stupid kids about it and they'll realise their parents' sexualities exist separately from them, instead of growing up into ridiculous adults who still cringe at the thought that their parents have/had sex, and liked it.
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Post by ❤️ NickiDrea ❤️ on Oct 19, 2022 23:14:19 GMT
I don't get the pearl clutching about the nudes. in the grand scheme of things, who cares if she wants to pose naked? the tirades against her family that she should reserve for a therapist, that's another matter but that said, none of britney's behaviour so far comes even close to kanye levels of insanity and no one is stopping him from saying what he wants, or seeing his kids... It isn’t illegal or anything but she has two teenage sons who are in school and have repeatedly asked her to stop doing this. Even if she wasn’t a celeb I would side eye any parent doing this when their kids are young or teens. Classmates can be cruel and her kids are going through enough publicly without having to deal with their peers being able to pull up naked pictures of their incoherent mom whenever they want. Sure, she CAN do it but personally I think it’s pretty gross. I don’t think she should be barred from seeing her kids but it sounds like they don’t want to see her, partially due to stuff like this. I would be mortified and not want to show my face in school if my mom did this when I was a teenager. It’s her body and she can do what she wants with it but I dunno. |
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Post by no1novice on Oct 19, 2022 23:19:34 GMT
I thought that her kids had asked her to stop posting photos of them and that she didn't do that and the invasion of privacy caused these issues.
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Post by dolem on Oct 19, 2022 23:57:19 GMT
Not pearl clutching here, I couldn't care less about the nudes other than to say it seems desperate and attention-seeking, just by the sheer number of them. I mean, who does that? Except Madonna lol. Also, her teenaged sons have specifically said this bothers them yet she continues. I almost think she keeps doing it BECAUSE they said they don't like it. She not only seems vengeful, but she also is NOT going to let anyone tell HER what to do. Like the spoiled child she is.The tirades against her family are of course worse than the nudes and show just how obsessed she is with the past, instead of moving forward. And those damn twirling videos bother me the most, they're just so manic and it's like she's reliving her dance moves on stage, but she's not on stage, she's in her damn foyer. Looking like she just woke up after a bender where she slept in her makeup and didn't bother to wash her face or brush her hair. The crazy eyes and those midriff/shorts combinations she wears. Oy. This highlighted part is what gets me. Her kids specifically said that they were bothered by the nudes on instagram, it's embarrassing to them. I can't imagine being a teenager and your mom posting nudes all over the internet. They asked her to stop. Instead she doubles down, posts more. Then has the audacity to be mad at the kids because they don't do what she wants - like attend her wedding. As a teenager I can't imagine asking your parent a simple thing - not posting nudes online - and then being gaslit for it. No wonder they want nothing to do with her. She's mentally unwell, it's clear as day. She nowhere near as bad a Kanye, though. |
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Post by trixie on Oct 20, 2022 5:26:35 GMT
i have mixed feelings about the kids not liking her posing nude thing. i mean, i get that it makes kids uncomfortable but i also think kids don't get veto power over everything their parents do. not just with regards to britney who's a mess for a lot of reasons and her nudity is quite honestly the last thing about her i find concerning. but in general, a lot of women have been famous for posing nude and also have kids, and they didn't stop doing it just because they had kids. there's something that irks me about that logic, it's like giving into the madonna whore dichotomy where you're either a mother (virtuous, wholesome, dressed) or a whore (naked, sexual, etc) and fuck that shit. lots of actresses with kids still do sex scenes, there are nude models who have children and continue to work, etc. i bet a lot of their kids don't like it either but that's what therapy is for and hopefully when they grow up they'll realise they were just being stupid kids about it and they'll realise their parents' sexualities exist separately from them, instead of growing up into ridiculous adults who still cringe at the thought that their parents have/had sex, and liked it. Yes, but Britney's not famous for posing nude, isn't an actress doing sex scenes, or a nude model. This isn't what she does for a living to put food on the table. She's just doing it for really no reason at all other than attention seeking. This isn't a Playboy centerfold like Pam Anderson or Anna Nicole Smith, both of whom I assume did it for the money. And Pam still seems to have a good relationship with her boys, who I'm sure went through the same teenage angst. It seems Britney doesn't have a good relationship with her sons, and while they don't have a right to dictate what she posts on social media, if she knows it bothers them and she's trying to repair the relationship, I think most mothers would make that sacrifice and stop posting her tits and ass everywhere, even if it's well within her rights. |
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Post by firebrat1229 on Oct 20, 2022 10:15:01 GMT
Even if we put the nudes thing aside, I saw it stated somewhere (not sure where) that her kids indeed reiterated to her that they didn't want her posting pics of them. And I believe her response to this request was to.. post pics of them. Along with the requisite rant about how awful they are, of course.
For someone who has ranted at length about autonomy and how her parents didn't listen to her and did awful things to her against her will, it feels extra gross that she'd turn around and directly ignore her kids wishes in this manner. Even if we want to excuse the nudes and say her kids should just deal with it, this will never be ok.
Seems vindictive AF to me, and against her own damn children. All the excuses in the world can be made for her (and her stans specialize in that) but it doesn't negate the fact that this is shitty, petty behavior.
And yes, of course Kanye is worse. There's an entire thread dedicated to his crimes as well. Kanye seems dangerous whereas Brit just seems pathetic and childish.
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Post by sputnik on Oct 20, 2022 13:17:59 GMT
^^^^
yeah, even in her relationship with her kids, the nudes aren't even the tip of the iceberg.
my guess is that relationship is irretrievably broken and she's basically never really parented them, or been all that close to them, not really. before the conservatorship she was the breadwinner and probably had a crazy schedule, kevin the former employee and had to do something with his time. then she had her breakdown - which i kind of always wondered if it didn't start as post-partum that kind of exacerbated any pre-existing issues she may have had?
basically i don't think she's ever done much parenting, if any at all. then with the conservatorship she was effectively reduced to being a child again with other people running her life and making all decisions including that kevin would essentially raise those kids as a single parent and unofficial employee of the britney conservatorship enterprise her father was running. it is what it is and they're never going to have a relationship with britney that is even close to what they have with their dad, and i think on some level she knows that and has given up on trying to get that back and even if she is incredibly angry about the whole thing, i think she's going full slash and burn and even if she doesn't say it explicitly she can't do that without burning whatever bridges she had left with her kids. it's sad, but i think the initial decision to let someone else raise her kids was taken without her consent, like so much else was for over 13 years of her life, and too much time and damage has been done at this point and she's not well enough to know how to even start rebuilding that, or even trying.
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Post by lindsaywhit on Oct 20, 2022 17:33:52 GMT
i have mixed feelings about the kids not liking her posing nude thing. i mean, i get that it makes kids uncomfortable but i also think kids don't get veto power over everything their parents do. not just with regards to britney who's a mess for a lot of reasons and her nudity is quite honestly the last thing about her i find concerning. but in general, a lot of women have been famous for posing nude and also have kids, and they didn't stop doing it just because they had kids. there's something that irks me about that logic, it's like giving into the madonna whore dichotomy where you're either a mother (virtuous, wholesome, dressed) or a whore (naked, sexual, etc) and fuck that shit. lots of actresses with kids still do sex scenes, there are nude models who have children and continue to work, etc. i bet a lot of their kids don't like it either but that's what therapy is for and hopefully when they grow up they'll realise they were just being stupid kids about it and they'll realise their parents' sexualities exist separately from them, instead of growing up into ridiculous adults who still cringe at the thought that their parents have/had sex, and liked it.  I'm dying. Just spurted my diet Vernors onto my new laptop. My tagline if I can figure out how to do it. |
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Post by trixie on Oct 20, 2022 18:50:36 GMT
I agree she probably never parented the kids, it was more like they would come visit her in Vegas, went with her to Hawaii, but never spent enough time for a real custodial relationship. Their home was with Kevin, his wife and their half siblings. And yes, the decision was made without her consent, but it was the court's decision and due to her own behavior. And it all happened before the conservatorship was in place. She lost custody due to failure to comply with court orders for drug testing among other things. Then of course the big incident at her home when she refused to give the kids back to Kevin as ordered and had a 4 hour standoff with police while locked in the bathroom with Jayden. That pretty much sealed her fate and Kevin was given sole custody and her visitation was yanked. A month or two later, Jamie was granted temporary conservatorship. I think over time, the visitation was 70/30 and Kevin was pretty lenient about it.
Of course in typical Britney fashion, she is ANGRY and blames everyone else--Kevin, her mom and dad, and now she's even blaming the kids for being HATEFUL and not respecting her as a WOMAN. Totally denying her part in how things turned out.
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Post by no1novice on Oct 20, 2022 18:55:33 GMT
Not pearl clutching here, I couldn't care less about the nudes other than to say it seems desperate and attention-seeking, just by the sheer number of them. I mean, who does that? Except Madonna lol. Also, her teenaged sons have specifically said this bothers them yet she continues. I almost think she keeps doing it BECAUSE they said they don't like it. She not only seems vengeful, but she also is NOT going to let anyone tell HER what to do. Like the spoiled child she is.The tirades against her family are of course worse than the nudes and show just how obsessed she is with the past, instead of moving forward. And those damn twirling videos bother me the most, they're just so manic and it's like she's reliving her dance moves on stage, but she's not on stage, she's in her damn foyer. Looking like she just woke up after a bender where she slept in her makeup and didn't bother to wash her face or brush her hair. The crazy eyes and those midriff/shorts combinations she wears. Oy. This highlighted part is what gets me. Her kids specifically said that they were bothered by the nudes on instagram, it's embarrassing to them. I can't imagine being a teenager and your mom posting nudes all over the internet. They asked her to stop. Instead she doubles down, posts more. Then has the audacity to be mad at the kids because they don't do what she wants - like attend her wedding. As a teenager I can't imagine asking your parent a simple thing - not posting nudes online - and then being gaslit for it. No wonder they want nothing to do with her. She's mentally unwell, it's clear as day. She nowhere near as bad a Kanye, though. I am still battling this as an adult (* the gaslighting not the posting nudes on social media) and it sets you up for a lifetime of bad decisions - fortunately the boys have KFed + what seems to be a stable home life (imagine saying that 17 years ago!!!) and (hopefully) access to decent therapy. ^^^^ yeah, even in her relationship with her kids, the nudes aren't even the tip of the iceberg. my guess is that relationship is irretrievably broken and she's basically never really parented them, or been all that close to them, not really. before the conservatorship she was the breadwinner and probably had a crazy schedule, kevin the former employee and had to do something with his time. then she had her breakdown - which i kind of always wondered if it didn't start as post-partum that kind of exacerbated any pre-existing issues she may have had? basically i don't think she's ever done much parenting, if any at all. then with the conservatorship she was effectively reduced to being a child again with other people running her life and making all decisions including that kevin would essentially raise those kids as a single parent and unofficial employee of the britney conservatorship enterprise her father was running. it is what it is and they're never going to have a relationship with britney that is even close to what they have with their dad, and i think on some level she knows that and has given up on trying to get that back and even if she is incredibly angry about the whole thing, i think she's going full slash and burn and even if she doesn't say it explicitly she can't do that without burning whatever bridges she had left with her kids. it's sad, but i think the initial decision to let someone else raise her kids was taken without her consent, like so much else was for over 13 years of her life, and too much time and damage has been done at this point and she's not well enough to know how to even start rebuilding that, or even trying. It would be sad if it's irreparable - and I say this as a product of a dysfunctional family (aka a shit home life™ ) she still has the chance to come back from this as we are socialised to love our mothers no matter how shit they are as mothers. I manage to have a relationship with my mother as a friend not as a parent-child. It works better for us. My sister has a parent-child relationship which works for her. It is what it is, but it took effort on both sides to get to this point. |
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Post by sputnik on Oct 20, 2022 19:03:52 GMT
Maybe when the kids are older and understand that their mother isn’t capable of being a mother the way they would like and can accept her for what she is. Maybe more like a friend, like you say. But I think that’s way too much maturity and understanding to ask of a couple of teen boys who are too young to realise the extent of their mom’s troubles and who only get her family and Kevin’s side of things.
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Post by no1novice on Oct 20, 2022 19:11:22 GMT
Maybe when the kids are older and understand that their mother isn’t capable of being a mother the way they would like and can accept her for what she is. Maybe more like a friend, like you say. But I think that’s way too much maturity and understanding to ask of a couple of teen boys who are too young to realise the extent of their mom’s troubles and who only get her family and Kevin’s side of things. Yes 100% It is hard though due to societal pressures on both parents & children I think? It isn't always a fairy tale & didn't BS have bad PPD or psychosis? Or am I thinking of someone else? |
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Post by dilligaf on Oct 20, 2022 22:53:07 GMT
She loves herself way more than her kids.
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