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Post by cornflakegrl on Oct 27, 2023 12:55:13 GMT
I take issue with her getting credit for "elegant prose." Someone ghost wrote this book. We see her "writing" every day and it's barely coherent. Makes sense to me that those who helped her, wrote a book that helps to rehab her image or at least, hide her mental illness.
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Post by o0amber0o on Oct 27, 2023 13:25:08 GMT
I take issue with her getting credit for "elegant prose." Someone ghost wrote this book. We see her "writing" every day and it's barely coherent. Makes sense to me that those who helped her, wrote a book that helps to rehab her image or at least, hide her mental illness. Same. I kept reading, "she writes..." "...she wrote" - please. She didn't write this. She can't even write an Instagram post, she rambled off into a tape and someone pieced it together. I'm going to listen to this for sure, I adored Britney in my teenage/young adult life. She put out some really great pop albums during that time, and she was a great entertainer. I'm glad that she feels she can now live her life the way she wants to, but she simply cannot continue to ignore her mental health. Just because it's not in the book, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We ALL see it everyday. You can't in one breath say you hate fame and attention and the next minute do your daily half naked twirls . I can appreciate hearing her side of the story but in no way is it the whole story. |
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Post by notoriousmkg on Oct 27, 2023 20:02:39 GMT
Even an articulate, educated celeb is going to have a ghostwriter or a heavily involved editor. Often to elicit details that the celeb didn't think of themselves, or to punch up turgid diary-style text. So, I'm not knocking that she has one. I think that it's interesting that her financial assertions are in the book - and specific. My guess is that there has to be some truth to them because the Publisher's lawyers would not permit them to open themselves up to a libel suit like that without some substantiation of the claims.
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Post by sputnik on Oct 28, 2023 4:13:37 GMT
britney's biggest problem is her own mental illness. couple that with a family who doesn't understand/support that and you are bound for disaster. i don't think it's reasonable to expect an unwell, unmedicated person to take accountability.even with the most supportive of families and access to healthcare it can be hard for a mentally ill person to get well, and there can be setbacks and relapses and it's a lifelong struggle. it's weird to me that people are mad at her for acting like the mentally ill woman without a support system that she is, rather than a rational, mentally healthy person. also, why are people hung up on her accountability? to whom? she also doesn't owe it to anyone to publicly acknowledge what is painfully obvious (that she's mentally ill) or announce her official diagnosis. She elicits so much contempt… i see it with my uncle who went through decades of mental illness, pill addiction, alcoholism and what my cousins went through. to some extent (and thankfully less severe) with my brother who suffers from pretty bad depression and has had a lot of ups and downs for the past decade basically, despite regular therapy and long periods where he's been on medication. and one of my best friends' mom had schizoaffective disorder. and a husband and family that were by all accounts loving and supportive, and a privileged life and access to great healthcare and still, she would go off her meds and there were multiple suicide attempts and risky behaviour and drama and lots of hospitalizations and she had a very sad and traumatic life. she adored her kids and her husband and they loved her and supported throughout it all and she was wildly smart and charming and fun when she was good but but she also put them through hell and it was all very traumatic for her family in ways they're still affected by. |
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Post by cornflakegrl on Oct 28, 2023 12:46:59 GMT
Even an articulate, educated celeb is going to have a ghostwriter or a heavily involved editor. Often to elicit details that the celeb didn't think of themselves, or to punch up turgid diary-style text. So, I'm not knocking that she has one. I think that it's interesting that her financial assertions are in the book - and specific. My guess is that there has to be some truth to them because the Publisher's lawyers would not permit them to open themselves up to a libel suit like that without some substantiation of the claims. I wasn't knocking that she has one either. But the glowing reviews of her prose and metaphors are phony pr spin. Which taints the whole book for me as PR spin. Not that there isn't some good tea in there. |
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Post by notoriousmkg on Oct 28, 2023 13:48:53 GMT
britney's biggest problem is her own mental illness. couple that with a family who doesn't understand/support that and you are bound for disaster. i don't think it's reasonable to expect an unwell, unmedicated person to take accountability.even with the most supportive of families and access to healthcare it can be hard for a mentally ill person to get well, and there can be setbacks and relapses and it's a lifelong struggle. it's weird to me that people are mad at her for acting like the mentally ill woman without a support system that she is, rather than a rational, mentally healthy person. also, why are people hung up on her accountability? to whom? she also doesn't owe it to anyone to publicly acknowledge what is painfully obvious (that she's mentally ill) or announce her official diagnosis. She elicits so much contempt… i see it with my uncle who went through decades of mental illness, pill addiction, alcoholism and what my cousins went through. to some extent (and thankfully less severe) with my brother who suffers from pretty bad depression and has had a lot of ups and downs for the past decade basically, despite regular therapy and long periods where he's been on medication. and one of my best friends' mom had schizoaffective disorder. and a husband and family that were by all accounts loving and supportive, and a privileged life and access to great healthcare and still, she would go off her meds and there were multiple suicide attempts and risky behaviour and drama and lots of hospitalizations and she had a very sad and traumatic life. she adored her kids and her husband and they loved her and supported throughout it all and she was wildly smart and charming and fun when she was good but but she also put them through hell and it was all very traumatic for her family in ways they're still affected by.
I totally appreciate your deep empathy for people who have these struggles and how it would give you a level of insight and empathy a lot of us here would not have. I have to admit that I get distracted by the chorus of low-info Britney supporters, half of whom are probably 'bots amplifying the more controversial statements she makes.
Even an articulate, educated celeb is going to have a ghostwriter or a heavily involved editor. Often to elicit details that the celeb didn't think of themselves, or to punch up turgid diary-style text. So, I'm not knocking that she has one. I think that it's interesting that her financial assertions are in the book - and specific. My guess is that there has to be some truth to them because the Publisher's lawyers would not permit them to open themselves up to a libel suit like that without some substantiation of the claims. I wasn't knocking that she has one either. But the glowing reviews of her prose and metaphors are phony pr spin. Which taints the whole book for me as PR spin. Not that there isn't some good tea in there. No, I totally get what you are saying. When I read a celeb book, I'm never marveling at their prose - because it's gone through multiple levels of review and editing. |
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Post by czb on Oct 28, 2023 16:09:08 GMT
britney's biggest problem is her own mental illness. couple that with a family who doesn't understand/support that and you are bound for disaster. i don't think it's reasonable to expect an unwell, unmedicated person to take accountability.even with the most supportive of families and access to healthcare it can be hard for a mentally ill person to get well, and there can be setbacks and relapses and it's a lifelong struggle. it's weird to me that people are mad at her for acting like the mentally ill woman without a support system that she is, rather than a rational, mentally healthy person. also, why are people hung up on her accountability? to whom? she also doesn't owe it to anyone to publicly acknowledge what is painfully obvious (that she's mentally ill) or announce her official diagnosis. She elicits so much contempt… i see it with my uncle who went through decades of mental illness, pill addiction, alcoholism and what my cousins went through. to some extent (and thankfully less severe) with my brother who suffers from pretty bad depression and has had a lot of ups and downs for the past decade basically, despite regular therapy and long periods where he's been on medication. and one of my best friends' mom had schizoaffective disorder. and a husband and family that were by all accounts loving and supportive, and a privileged life and access to great healthcare and still, she would go off her meds and there were multiple suicide attempts and risky behaviour and drama and lots of hospitalizations and she had a very sad and traumatic life. she adored her kids and her husband and they loved her and supported throughout it all and she was wildly smart and charming and fun when she was good but but she also put them through hell and it was all very traumatic for her family in ways they're still affected by. just from my own family, i see how much it takes to support someone with mental health challenges. it goes beyond $$$ and health insurance. ignoring the barbs that they can't help, making them acknowledge the bad behavior that they *do* see, patience, empathy, and lots and lots of time. forgiveness. seeking out good providers that they trust. making the effort to educate myself and the rest of the family about the specific mental health challenges. the list goes on and on. and we are fortunate that there are enough family on mr czb's side who empathize with mental health issues. my family certainly doesn't have that capacity. that's why i say britney was doomed from the start - no support, no backbone. to me, that's the *real* story. not the salacious dribble in this book. not that i'm above salacious dribble, but from someone with poor mental health who doesn't acknowledge it. major ick for me. |
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Post by no1novice on Oct 28, 2023 16:39:01 GMT
I wondered if that was the point. Given that the US healthcare system is an "industry" (for profit); maybe a lot of people are both inexperienced with the whole situation of supporting someone with mental health needs and also thinks that since she has so much $$$ that she should be able to "buy herself better" - but as you say, it doesn't work like that.
Also, regardless of this situation, there were mental health issues in her family, so if they were inheritable/genetic diseases, she could have had a pre-disposition too?
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Post by burliegirl on Oct 28, 2023 17:06:32 GMT
britney's biggest problem is her own mental illness. couple that with a family who doesn't understand/support that and you are bound for disaster. i don't think it's reasonable to expect an unwell, unmedicated person to take accountability.even with the most supportive of families and access to healthcare it can be hard for a mentally ill person to get well, and there can be setbacks and relapses and it's a lifelong struggle. it's weird to me that people are mad at her for acting like the mentally ill woman without a support system that she is, rather than a rational, mentally healthy person. also, why are people hung up on her accountability? to whom? she also doesn't owe it to anyone to publicly acknowledge what is painfully obvious (that she's mentally ill) or announce her official diagnosis. She elicits so much contempt… i see it with my uncle who went through decades of mental illness, pill addiction, alcoholism and what my cousins went through. to some extent (and thankfully less severe) with my brother who suffers from pretty bad depression and has had a lot of ups and downs for the past decade basically, despite regular therapy and long periods where he's been on medication. and one of my best friends' mom had schizoaffective disorder. and a husband and family that were by all accounts loving and supportive, and a privileged life and access to great healthcare and still, she would go off her meds and there were multiple suicide attempts and risky behaviour and drama and lots of hospitalizations and she had a very sad and traumatic life. she adored her kids and her husband and they loved her and supported throughout it all and she was wildly smart and charming and fun when she was good but but she also put them through hell and it was all very traumatic for her family in ways they're still affected by. Yes I agree with this. It's immensely difficult for "normal" people to get access to decent healthcare and function when faced with mental illness. We have someone here who dealt with the enormous pressures of fame at a young age, a society that took immense glee in taking people down and hounded her relentlessly, "stage parents" who often get in the game for nefarious reasons and, let's face it, these parents and Britney herself were intellectually out of their league to deal with any of it. Take all that and put a vast fortune on top of it and it's no wonder what happened. The terms of the conservatorship made it obvious that she will never trust any medical professional again and I think getting her illness out of control is a lost cause. All I see when I look at the Britney saga is a team of leaches including her parents who ruined a real human for money. It's gross, and other child stars are dead now after having less put on them. |
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Post by czb on Oct 28, 2023 17:11:44 GMT
I wondered if that was the point. Given that the US healthcare system is an "industry" (for profit); maybe a lot of people are both inexperienced with the whole situation of supporting someone with mental health needs and also thinks that since she has so much $$$ that she should be able to "buy herself better" - but as you say, it doesn't work like that. Also, regardless of this situation, there were mental health issues in her family, so if they were inheritable/genetic diseases, she could have had a pre-disposition too? i think there is great stigma around mental health. for people with mental health issues, there's definitely a 'get over it' attitude. a lack of understanding that you can't really control brain chemistry without meds. severe depression, BPD, etc need medical attention. a lot of people don't get it. and i see it everywhere. i have no idea if this cluelessness about mental health is only in the US or in other places as well. |
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Post by no1novice on Oct 28, 2023 23:20:59 GMT
Definitely other places too.
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Post by kittylady on Oct 29, 2023 18:55:01 GMT
even with the most supportive of families and access to healthcare it can be hard for a mentally ill person to get well, and there can be setbacks and relapses and it's a lifelong struggle. it's weird to me that people are mad at her for acting like the mentally ill woman without a support system that she is, rather than a rational, mentally healthy person. also, why are people hung up on her accountability? to whom? she also doesn't owe it to anyone to publicly acknowledge what is painfully obvious (that she's mentally ill) or announce her official diagnosis. She elicits so much contempt… i see it with my uncle who went through decades of mental illness, pill addiction, alcoholism and what my cousins went through. to some extent (and thankfully less severe) with my brother who suffers from pretty bad depression and has had a lot of ups and downs for the past decade basically, despite regular therapy and long periods where he's been on medication. and one of my best friends' mom had schizoaffective disorder. and a husband and family that were by all accounts loving and supportive, and a privileged life and access to great healthcare and still, she would go off her meds and there were multiple suicide attempts and risky behaviour and drama and lots of hospitalizations and she had a very sad and traumatic life. she adored her kids and her husband and they loved her and supported throughout it all and she was wildly smart and charming and fun when she was good but but she also put them through hell and it was all very traumatic for her family in ways they're still affected by. Yes I agree with this. It's immensely difficult for "normal" people to get access to decent healthcare and function when faced with mental illness. We have someone here who dealt with the enormous pressures of fame at a young age, a society that took immense glee in taking people down and hounded her relentlessly, "stage parents" who often get in the game for nefarious reasons and, let's face it, these parents and Britney herself were intellectually out of their league to deal with any of it. Take all that and put a vast fortune on top of it and it's no wonder what happened. The terms of the conservatorship made it obvious that she will never trust any medical professional again and I think getting her illness out of control is a lost cause. All I see when I look at the Britney saga is a team of leaches including her parents who ruined a real human for money. It's gross, and other child stars are dead now after having less put on them. I'd definitely include some of the medical professionals who "treated" her over the years as it sounds like she was put through a great many different treatment regimes by a great many different practitioners. I wholly understand that sometimes it takes multiple medications and approaches to find something that works well for the patient (I have a friend who has experienced it) but when you have someone with Britney's wealth under a conservatorship where she seems to have become more of a singing/dancing ATM than a human being there's a massive risk of professional abuse for personal financial gain. |
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Post by MsDark on Oct 29, 2023 19:15:28 GMT
I had a couple credits on Audible and purchased this. I fell asleep listening last night but I'm gonna try and listen to some today
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Post by icepik on Oct 30, 2023 21:56:16 GMT
Why isn't she promoting her book with interviews or made any comments on the reactions to the book, other than typed comments? There's something very strange about Britney Spears. I'm almost starting to believe the conspiracy theories about her.
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Post by Sarzy on Oct 30, 2023 22:03:36 GMT
She didn't need to do promo, it was always going to sell well. I doubt she's really up to doing it/doesn't want to do it anyway.
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