The Royal Mega Thread, Part II

[sputnik]

Hahahaha that last one is brilliant

[Sarzy]

Prince Harry has denied members of the royal family were accused of racism in he and his wife's bombshell interview with Oprah Winfrey.

The Duke of Sussex said Meghan Markle's claims that a family member made 'troubling' comments about the skin colour of his son, Archie, related to 'unconscious bias', not racism.

In an exchange with Tom Bradby on ITV on Sunday night, Harry said the incident involving Ngozi Fulani and Lady Susan Hussey 'is a very good example of the environment within the institution'.

When the conversation moved to the Oprah interview, Bradby told Harry he had accused members of his family of 'racism'. Harry responded by saying 'no I didn't', adding 'the British press said that'.

The duke continued: 'Did Meghan ever mention that they're racist?'

After Bradby said the duchess claimed troubling comments were made about Archie's skin colour, Harry said: 'There was - there was concern about his skin colour.'

Asked if he would describe that is racist, the duke said: 'I wouldn't, not having lived within that family.'

He continued: 'The difference between racism and unconscious bias, the two things are different.

Harry had earlier said that he and Meghan 'love' Lady Hussey and think that she is 'great' and that the reaction to her comments were 'horrific'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612813/Harry-denies-Royal-family-racist-repeats-relative-asked-Archies-skin-colour.html

Hm. I didn't see that one coming 

[loftybike]

Huh?
He contradicts himself all the time, though.

[Sarzy]

^ Yep. Hard to believe much of what he says because of that.

[mrsfawlty]

Also, when Tom Bradby said "You were scathing about......" Harry nearly bit his head off by saying "There's no part of any of the things that I've said are scathing...."
Uh, Harry, I think you need a new therapist, because there is no evidence of self reflection or of you taking any personal responsibility. You come across as angry, aggressive, entitled and arrogant. I was on your side until last night but your litany of woe is really too depressing! 

[sassiness]

I get what Harry is saying, even though it's clunky.

He was offended that a close family member asked with concern what skin colour their children would have. It is, objectively, racist AF. However, he's recognising that William/Camilla/Charles (who appear to be the primary suspects for the offending question) may not have intentionally been racist in asking that question - its the environment in which they operate. Harry is also recognising that he was similarly minded - objectively racist AF but not intentionally trying to be racist. It is unconscious bias.

The Anti racist movement is constantly making the point that it's not enough to not be racist - we have to consciously overcome the way society has taught us to use racist tropes, assumptions etc. Harry is learning this, and he isn't perfect at it. But he's trying. Inelegantly, a bit petulantly, and all that.

[sputnik]

^^^^
this.
i think when people read the skin colour remark they immediately thought that the relative in question had basically asked 'omg how dark is this baby going to be?' with intentional malice, and the media ran with that and implied that because that shit sells and is easier to explain than unconscious bias, as opposed to the still not ok but not intentionally racist curiosity regarding what colour their baby was going to be. there's no contradiction unless you interpreted the remark in the way the tabloids did.
it's kind of like asking someone Asian American where they're 'really' from, versus the intentionally racist asshole telling them to go back to where they came from. the 'where are you originally from?' crowd usually just don't realise how that question is racist and it shows their unconscious bias that anyone not white must automatically be from somewhere else, as if white Americans weren't also the product of immigration. which is along the same lines as the comment made by the queen's lady in waiting and that got her fired. i'm sure she didn't mean to be racist and if you asked her if she's racist she'd say no, of course not, but she's a product of her environment and she's had enough privilege that she's never had to stop and question herself even though it's fucking 2023 and she should fucking know better. ideally, that sort of thing would prompt self-reflection as opposed to defensiveness and whining about woke mobs calling everyone racist but unfortunately both sides seem to love the outrage and hyperbole.                             

[sputnik]

In more trivial gossip fare:

Prince Harry Reveals Prince William Wasn’t Actually His Best Man—the Palace Lied

When it comes to best men at royal weddings, the Palace is telling a “barefaced lie.”

BY MEHERA BONNERPUBLISHED: JAN 10, 2023

 Sooooo up until now, the general assumption has been that Prince Harry was Prince William’s best man at his royal wedding to Kate Middleton and that Prince William was Prince Harry’s best man at his royal wedding to Meghan Markle. But apparently, not so much.

In his new book, Spare, Harry revealed that he actually picked his “old friend” Charlie to be best man and that the royals straight-up lied about it. He also claimed that William didn’t show up to drinks the night before his wedding due to “sulking.” 

“I asked what was really happening,” Harry writes, via The Mirror. “Was he sulking because he wasn’t my best man? Was he annoyed because I had asked my old friend Charlie instead? (‘The royal family announced Willy was the best man as they had done with me when he and Kate got married. Did that have something to do with it?’)”

On top of this, Harry revealed that the Palace issued a “barefaced lie” at William’s 2011 wedding by saying he was the best man. Harry explained, “Willy didn’t want me giving a best man’s speech” but that he was made to act the part so that William’s closest friends and actual best men, James Meade and Thomas Van Straubenzee, didn’t have their private lives dug into.

In fact, James and Thomas were the ones who gave speeches at William’s wedding, and Harry was simply in charge of introducing them.

I mean...it’s pretty wild of the Palace to lie about this and it definitely indicates that Harry and William (or Harold and Willy, as we’ll henceforth be calling them) weren’t as close as we thought—even back in 2011.

www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a42442239/prince-william-prince-harry-best-man-lie/

[Sarzy]

Jan 9, 2023 17:10:27 GMT mrsfawlty said:

Also, when Tom Bradby said "You were scathing about......" Harry nearly bit his head off by saying "There's no part of any of the things that I've said are scathing...."
Uh, Harry, I think you need a new therapist, because there is no evidence of self reflection or of you taking any personal responsibility. You come across as angry, aggressive, entitled and arrogant. I was on your side until last night but your litany of woe is really too depressing! 

Sounds like Meghan pretty much told him that at one point. Just saw this from his book: 




REUNITED. A quiet night at Nott Cott, preparing dinner together. December 2016. Meg and I had discovered that we shared the same favorite food: roast chicken. I didn’t know how to cook it, so that night she was teaching me. I remember the warmth of the kitchen, the wonderful smells. Lemon wedges on the cutting board, garlic and rosemary, gravy bubbling in a saucepan. I remember rubbing salt on the skin of the bird, then opening a bottle of wine. Meg put on music.
Maybe the wine went to my head. Maybe the weeks of battling the press had worn me down. For some reason, when the conversation took an unexpected turn, I became touchy. Then angry. Disproportionately, sloppily angry. Meg said something I took the wrong way. It was partly a cultural difference, partly a language barrier, but I was also just over-sensitive that night. I thought: Why’s she having a go at me? I snapped at her, spoke to her harshly—cruelly. As the words left my mouth, I could feel everything in the room come to a stop. The gravy stopped bubbling, the molecules of air stopped orbiting. Even Nina Simone seemed to pause. Meg walked out of the room, disappearing for a full fifteen minutes. I went and found her upstairs. She was sitting in the bedroom. She was calm, but said in a quiet, level tone that she would never stand for being spoken to like that. I nodded. She wanted to know where it came from. I don’t know. Where did you ever hear a man speak like that to a woman? Did you overhear adults speak that way when you were growing up? I cleared my throat, looked away. Yes. She wasn’t going to tolerate that kind of partner. Or co-parent. That kind of life. She wasn’t going to raise children in an atmosphere of anger or disrespect. She laid it all out, super-clear. We both knew my anger hadn’t been caused by anything to do with our conversation. It came from somewhere deep inside, somewhere that needed to be excavated, and it was obvious that I could use some help with the job. I’ve tried therapy, I told her. Willy told me to go. Never found the right person. Didn’t work. No, she said softly. Try again.

[cornflakegrl]

Gawd these two.

[MsDark]

I'll bet it pisses William off to be referred to as "Willy"

I'm here for every single bit of this. From Harry, that is.

[trixie]

Me too. Got the book today from Amazon.

[❤️ NickiDrea ❤️]

Jan 11, 2023 12:09:34 GMT Sarzy said:

Jan 9, 2023 17:10:27 GMT mrsfawlty said:

Also, when Tom Bradby said "You were scathing about......" Harry nearly bit his head off by saying "There's no part of any of the things that I've said are scathing...."
Uh, Harry, I think you need a new therapist, because there is no evidence of self reflection or of you taking any personal responsibility. You come across as angry, aggressive, entitled and arrogant. I was on your side until last night but your litany of woe is really too depressing! 

Sounds like Meghan pretty much told him that at one point. Just saw this from his book: 




REUNITED. A quiet night at Nott Cott, preparing dinner together. December 2016. Meg and I had discovered that we shared the same favorite food: roast chicken. I didn’t know how to cook it, so that night she was teaching me. I remember the warmth of the kitchen, the wonderful smells. Lemon wedges on the cutting board, garlic and rosemary, gravy bubbling in a saucepan. I remember rubbing salt on the skin of the bird, then opening a bottle of wine. Meg put on music.
Maybe the wine went to my head. Maybe the weeks of battling the press had worn me down. For some reason, when the conversation took an unexpected turn, I became touchy. Then angry. Disproportionately, sloppily angry. Meg said something I took the wrong way. It was partly a cultural difference, partly a language barrier, but I was also just over-sensitive that night. I thought: Why’s she having a go at me? I snapped at her, spoke to her harshly—cruelly. As the words left my mouth, I could feel everything in the room come to a stop. The gravy stopped bubbling, the molecules of air stopped orbiting. Even Nina Simone seemed to pause. Meg walked out of the room, disappearing for a full fifteen minutes. I went and found her upstairs. She was sitting in the bedroom. She was calm, but said in a quiet, level tone that she would never stand for being spoken to like that. I nodded. She wanted to know where it came from. I don’t know. Where did you ever hear a man speak like that to a woman? Did you overhear adults speak that way when you were growing up? I cleared my throat, looked away. Yes. She wasn’t going to tolerate that kind of partner. Or co-parent. That kind of life. She wasn’t going to raise children in an atmosphere of anger or disrespect. She laid it all out, super-clear. We both knew my anger hadn’t been caused by anything to do with our conversation. It came from somewhere deep inside, somewhere that needed to be excavated, and it was obvious that I could use some help with the job. I’ve tried therapy, I told her. Willy told me to go. Never found the right person. Didn’t work. No, she said softly. Try again.

Good for Meghan.

[Sarzy]

Charles on visit to Aboyne and Mid-Deeside Community Shed in Aberdeenshire






William and Kate arrived at Liverpool together for first time since Spare's release.
They went to Merseyside for an event supporting a mental health charity

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11626765/King-Charles-make-public-engagement-release-Prince-Harrys-memoir.html

[Taniwha]

The Royal Family believe Harry has been “kidnapped by a cult of psychotherapy.”

Go support those mental health charities Royal Family!!!!