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Post by ❤️ NickiDrea ❤️ on Jul 22, 2022 21:29:33 GMT
I don't believe racist comments were even made. Megan told Harry it happened, he didn't even hear it for himself. The Oprah interview was full of lies and inconsistencies but Meghan did say that she never heard that conversation. Harry and Meghan couldnt even coordinate this story. I believe she heard it secondhand from Harry and she wasnt there. Hence why they gave different accounts of when it happened. Harry is a dumbarse so I’ll give Meghan the benefit of the doubt here. Frankly, Harry does have a ginger frizzy hair himself. I don’t see it as a racist comment and it certainly doesnt reflect their insinuations that it had anything to do with skin colour. I think they wanted people to assume that it was William and a much nastier comment. If they had just said the comment and named the person it would not have created the headlines and damage that they wanted. Harry specifically said that the senior royal expressed “concerns” about how dark the baby could be. And that it happened more than once. He didn’t insinuate it was about skin color, he flat out said it was. You can believe he’s lying (even though this family is known to be racist), but he was pretty clear about saying that the conversation was about how dark Archie might be. Personally I believe it because certain people love to speculate about the potential hair texture and skin color of mixed race people and what they hope the kids will look like (not “too dark” and hope they have “good hair”). I find that convos about mixed race kids are often where the racism comes out with weird, inappropriate backhanded compliments about their potential features and looks. |
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Post by sputnik on Jul 22, 2022 21:41:56 GMT
i don't think wondering about a ginger afro is the same as "expressing concern" about how dark a baby will be.
maybe i'm crazy but the ginger afro comment could be perfectly harmless, or at least said without any malicious intent. wondering how dark a baby just has a different connotation i think. so they're two separate incidents?
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Post by Sarzy on Jul 22, 2022 21:59:43 GMT
I'm sure someone on the old GR joked about the baby having a ginger afro. Maybe Camilla is amongst us lol.
But yeah I agree Sput. That's not the same as being concerned about skin colour. I don't think that could be the comment Harry was talking about.
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Post by waterslide on Jul 23, 2022 8:15:44 GMT
So when is this book coming out in the states? I don't plan on buying it, but I would get it out of the library. I can only find it released in the UK. But while googling, I found this article...did I miss a few pages of this thread where we discussed that they've taken the books off the shelves in the US, Canada, and Australia? Why though? geo.tvThat story is from a Pakistani news site, but I saw a couple of other sites where they were saying the same thing. |
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Post by glowingchicken on Jul 23, 2022 19:44:13 GMT
Harry specifically said that the senior royal expressed “concerns” about how dark the baby could be. And that it happened more than once. He didn’t insinuate it was about skin color, he flat out said it was. You can believe he’s lying ( even though this family is known to be racist), but he was pretty clear about saying that the conversation was about how dark Archie might be. Um, no. He didn’t. It’s one of the big inconsistencies. Meghan said it happened when she was pregnant and was going on over months. Once Harry joined and was asked about it he said: That conversation ... was right at the beginning... i don't think wondering about a ginger afro is the same as "expressing concern" about how dark a baby will be. maybe i'm crazy but the ginger afro comment could be perfectly harmless, or at least said without any malicious intent. wondering how dark a baby just has a different connotation i think. so they're two separate incidents? Here is the one aspect that’s always missing over all the pearl clutching about the racist intent of whoever did initiate that conversation with Harry: Harry was the one too stupid to think twice about dressing up as a Nazi for fun. Harry is on camera hurling out racist slurs. Harry is the one who told his friends about Chelsy as “from South Africa but not like black or anything”. He’s the loose cannon of the family, sold as the “likable lad”. Starting lots of things, not being reliably sticking with them. Now he wants to marry a biracial woman. Let’s say you’re his relative, part of a “family firm” who is very public perception concious because ultimately dependant on the public’s goodwill. How do you not take that idiot kin of yours (who needed his art teacher to cheat his art part of school) aside and try to hammer some genetics home? Because, frankly, my concern would have been Harry being shocked by Archie looking more Doria than Thomas, having trouble relating and all the vicious tabloid stories that would follow. And how would I start this talk? I would ask Harry if he doesn’t think about that type of thing. |
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Post by sputnik on Jul 23, 2022 19:52:16 GMT
lol wut?
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Post by MsDark on Jul 23, 2022 22:45:02 GMT
If this family was so "image conscious" Andy and his shady associations would have been nipped in the bud before he could have been photographed with Epstein or any underage girls, much less staying at the dude's house as a guest answering the damn door! Lawd that's the funniest thing I've ever heard!  They're only image conscious after the fact. That's why you heard about it in the press that Charles came down on Harry heavy when he did the Nazi costume. And this was completely a reaction to the scandalous publicity surrounding it. The fact that Harry was ignorant enough to do this at all is a prime example of the privileged, entitled and racist/xenophobic environment he was raised in. No big surprises his Eton friends ragged on him about Meg, treated her like shit and are now shit-talking about the both of them (but it's Meg's fault really, cause Harry was more fun when he was just like them). That's why you heard about it in the press (again, as a reaction to the affair becoming public knowledge) when that fugly chick Will was banging supposedly got blackballed from his and Kate's friend-circle. They want everyone to know this couple is in it for the long haul and this is not going to be a Chuck and Di situation. If Will were so image-conscious he wouldn't have fucked Rose Handbag in the first place. If this family were image-conscious at all they would have jumped at the opportunity that dropped into their lap to prove they'd moved beyond being the privileged, entitled, ignorant, racist fucks that past scandals and associations have shown them to be. If they were image conscious AND smart, they would have bent over backwards trying to accommodate this couple including doing whatever needed to be done to help Meghan assimilate or find her niche in this world. |
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Post by daphodil on Jul 24, 2022 14:52:36 GMT
... If they were image conscious AND smart, they would have bent over backwards trying to accommodate this couple including doing whatever needed to be done to help Meghan assimilate or find her niche in this world. I agree but I also think it's possible that they think they're better liars, deceivers, and sneakier than they actually are. Which is why they have to be so reactive. "Damn it, caught again! Uh, so here's what we'll do..." |
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Post by sleuth on Jul 25, 2022 4:11:27 GMT
The Tom Bower book is not just about Meghan.. its covering the palace communications team and does point out that Harry took the fall for William a lot when they had their wild parties.
I also read that the palace issued a statement on Meghans behalf which was false regarding Thomas and his health. Can’t remember what the statement said exactly but it was a caring statement saying meghan had spoken to her father and all was well kind of thing. It was in her best interest to appear compassionate about her father to the public. She and Harry had been sending rude messages and angry phone calls to Thomas after he was discovered to have posed for photos. They were rightfully annoyed at what he had done but had no understanding of what Thomas was dealing with daily from the paps and offered no protection to him. Doria was given security guards. He had his heart attack and surgery so obviously was not responding to their messages or answering anymore calls. Harry and Meghan eventually found out that he had a heart attack. Harry (showing no compassion) messages Thomas to say “none of this would have happened if you had just listened to us”.
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Post by loftybike on Jul 25, 2022 8:40:14 GMT
^^^Well, why should Harry feel any compassion for Thomas? He sold out Meghan repeatedly and showed no compassion for her or her new family at all.
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Post by sputnik on Jul 25, 2022 12:54:23 GMT
Thomas and basically all the family on his side are toxic assholes. Why should they have to defend him? Or his other asshole children? His behaviour has consistently demonstrated that he doesn’t deserve compassion and that he’s a toxic opportunist out to make a buck and see if he can get out from under his bankruptcy by selling out his daughter. Good riddance. The right wing tabloids are obsessed with using him as if it’s “proof” of cruelty on MM’s behalf when he’s the one selling her public letters to the highest bidder and making manipulative statements to the press about his health. I don’t even really buy the “heart attack”.
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Post by mel on Jul 25, 2022 15:11:22 GMT
Meghan cutting Thomas out of her life is one instance when I'm totally on her side. He's toxic and if MM really is narcissistic and manipulative than Thomas is a huge reason why. He's sold his daughter out so many times and is doing it again in Tom Bower's book (not that I would believe anything Thomas says, at this point). I also don't believe the "heart attack."
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Post by MsDark on Jul 25, 2022 23:17:41 GMT
He only seemed to start giving a shit about being in her life when she hooked up with Harry (other than accepting money from her when she started acting). So yeah, they need to find another excuse besides this dude. Unless they're trying to claim she's just like him. I seem to recall pap pics of him walking down the street with takeout bags around the time of this heart attack. Feel free to correct me if anyone has the (time-stamped) receipts.
If she was giving him money as an actress surely she would have continued to give him money after becoming a duchess. All he had to do was keep his fucking trap shut. Hell, he could have been in attendance at the wedding. But obvs the tabs dangled a big enough check that it was worth fucking up the relationship. Hope he banked that tabloid money and makes it last. (doubt it)
Her mother didn't sell her out for tabloid bucks. I notice they still have a relationship. Hmm, imagine that.
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Post by sleuth on Jul 26, 2022 0:05:52 GMT
Because at that stage he had not sold her out and they were still in some sort of communication as they were planning the wedding.. flights, suit etc. He kept everything quiet as she had requested. He was incapable of dealing with the paps and was asking Meghan for help. It seems they didnt understand or underestimated what Thomas was telling them so they left him to fend for himself.
Samantha Markle was contacted by a photographer (interesting since it was a Backgrid photographer who Meghan uses for all of her called in pap walks) and she convinced Thomas that he could fix his image by posing for photos but it obviously backfired.
Im sure that it embarrassed Meghan a lot.. it also embarrassed Thomas and he apologised for his behaviour. I still think it was callous and cold for Harry to berate his father in law as he lay in a hospital bed recovering from two heart attacks. These two spruke all sorts of bullshit about compassion, empathy and authenticity but i have never seen them display any of these words that they wish to associate with.
BTW Thomas also produced his medical bills after someone in Meghans rabid army started putting out rumours that he faked his heart attack. And moving forward we see that Meghan and Harry quite often call the paps to arrange photoshoots. What Thomas did would eventually be nothing compared to the stunts that this duo have done.
Edited to add: yes he had chest pains and first went to a hospital in Mexico.. they released him some time later and he went to buy KFC and went to yet another takeaway place that i can’t remember. Noone said he was smart. He then had further chest pains and a friend drove him across the border to a hospital in America.. where he ended up having an angioplasty surgery. Meghan had sent some men to pick him up to take him to the airport for for the wedding. They were told that he couldnt go with him as he needed to go to hospital. Their relationship was not completely in the shitter yet but Thomas was taken aback by how Harry chose to speak to him. Thomas snapped back and stopped responding. I believe Thomas went feral after this and became more willing to sell photos and stories or defend himself whenever he saw more lies from Meghan about him.
In my opinion, Thomas also has narcissistic traits and being portrayed the way he was upset him and he wanted to defend his image against Meghans lies and the media stories.
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Post by kittylady on Jul 26, 2022 0:22:36 GMT
Im sure that it embarrassed Meghan a lot.. it also embarrassed Thomas and he apologised for his behaviour. And yet he's done the same thing over and over again since. An apology means nothing if you keep doing the same thing that you had to apologise for in the first place. If he'd shut the fuck up and not kept giving "Woe is me" interviews to anyone who waved a cheque under his nose then maybe, just maybe, his daughter and son in law might have relented and cautiously renewed their connection to him so long as he could show that he was trustworthy over a decent period of time. But as it stands now I doubt that he could even be trusted to see either of them or their children over so much as a Zoom call without hitting the speed dial for a tabloid the second it ended. |
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