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Post by Sarzy on Aug 15, 2023 17:14:49 GMT
^ Agreed, deciding who can and can't have babies is definitely not a good or feasible idea.
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Post by constancespry on Aug 15, 2023 17:50:53 GMT
But it would be reversible, and the litmus test could just be a strong desire to procreate and a reasonable situation to provide for a child. There is nothing wrong with expecting people to be in a good place and to really, really want kids before they have them. Also, more than half of pregnancies are unwanted, and parenthood is much too difficult to embark on when a person doesn’t want it, or doesn’t have the necessary basic resources. So a consistent conscious decision to procreate would be much better for everyone, from the parents to the kids to society as a whole. Especially now that many states have basically banned abortion (i believe a 6 week cut off is a ban) and many people are forced to carry out unwanted pregnancies because they can’t afford to travel to a state where it is legal. If you can’t afford to travel to another state to have an abortion, can you really support - and should you have to provide for - a kid you don’t want?? With climate change and dwindling resources we do not need people who don’t want kids, or who put no thought into what it means to have a kid and the need to provide a good home, to add to the population. It would be racist and sexist. And eugenics. What is "in a good place" and who gets to decide that? What is a "good home" and who decides that? The majority of the world is poor/lower income and non white but those wouldn't be the people making up this litmus test. But they would end up being controlled by people who don't look like them, aren't culturally identical, and have totally different morals, values, and standards than for what a good parent is. A hunter/gatherer tribe in Tanzania might not have the financial resources of a rich American, they may not gave the same educational or social expectations that our culture does. They may prioritize respect for nature, not taking more from the earth than what you actually need, and minimalist living. They may be totally happy, but may live in a way that people from other cultures deem poor or not ideal for kids. Does that mean they shouldn't be able to have them? We've already seen this before and it was racist. You could literally wipe out entire groups of people under this theory, how do people not see this as scary and dangerous as hell? To clarify, I am under the impression Froogy’s suggestion is re. the US, not globally. And my comments also apply to the US, not to other cultures. I thought that was clear and obvious by my reference to states banning abortions, etc. I am pretty sure the US would not be able to force other countries to implement reversible sterilization at birth, therefore other cultures would not be affected, unless they chose the same approach. |
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Post by constancespry on Aug 15, 2023 17:59:45 GMT
^ Agreed, deciding who can and can't have babies is definitely not a good or feasible idea. I have an acquaintance whose daughter is a drug addict. She doesn’t use birth control (obviously) and has 5 kids with several different, equally irresponsible, guys. All 5 have been taken by social services. She is young and I have no doubt she will continue to get pregnant and give birth to kids that will be disadvantaged for life. This is not a rare situation either. |
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Post by greysfang on Aug 15, 2023 19:12:23 GMT
In the US at least, only white evangelical Christian nationalist extremists would be allowed children, so no thanks.
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Post by constancespry on Aug 15, 2023 19:54:31 GMT
In the US at least, only white evangelical Christian nationalist extremists would be allowed children, so no thanks. Those fuckers are in serious decline. Which is probably why they are so determined to regain complete control, while they still can. But, after really thinking about it, I do concede the potential pitfalls and control issues of any test. Beeyotch’s suggestion of free birth control and free Plan B and abortions is still the most logical, and also doable. But not while the repubs have any measure of influence. |
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