Hilaria & Alec Baldwin expecting seventh child

[eatsleepbeer]

Whatever was proven or not, him marrying his step daughter - that he first met at 10 years old when he was in his 40s - gives the abuse claims a lot of credence in my mind. I realize that's not any sort of real evidence that could prove anything, but I still wouldn't want to associate with him and I certainly wouldn't let him near any kids.

[no1novice]

Jun 29, 2022 10:18:33 GMT chaz said:

Sounds like they were all interviewed numerous time. This is from wikipedia:

"The clinic's professionals met with the police and Maco for preliminary information. Between September 18 and November 13 they conducted nine separate interviews with Dylan and her mother. On October 14 they interviewed Groteke, and between November 17 and January 7 they had three interviews with Allen. Finally, they met with Farrow to review the recording she had made of Dylan between August 5 and 6. Berge, the other nanny present on August 4, was also interviewed, as were the two psychotherapists treating the children, Coates and Nancy Schultz.[80][81] The Child Sexual Abuse Clinic medical director, Dr. John M. Leventhal, signed the team's report while Dylan was interviewed by the social workers.[81][18] Completed in March 1993, the report concluded: "It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen."[c]

This is what I mean by saying different experts say different things. Contradictory reports entered in court etc. This is why I wouldn't say definitely the abuse did or didn't happened.

O.M.G!!!! Well if we are quoting Wikipedia it must be true.....

[mrsfawlty]

Jun 29, 2022 10:18:33 GMT chaz said:

Sounds like they were all interviewed numerous time. This is from wikipedia:

"The clinic's professionals met with the police and Maco for preliminary information. Between September 18 and November 13 they conducted nine separate interviews with Dylan and her mother. On October 14 they interviewed Groteke, and between November 17 and January 7 they had three interviews with Allen. Finally, they met with Farrow to review the recording she had made of Dylan between August 5 and 6. Berge, the other nanny present on August 4, was also interviewed, as were the two psychotherapists treating the children, Coates and Nancy Schultz.[80][81] The Child Sexual Abuse Clinic medical director, Dr. John M. Leventhal, signed the team's report while Dylan was interviewed by the social workers.[81][18] Completed in March 1993, the report concluded: "It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen."[c]

This is what I mean by saying different experts say different things. Contradictory reports entered in court etc. This is why I wouldn't say definitely the abuse did or didn't happened.

I worked with the victims of childhood abuse, in all its forms, and your posts have left me opene-mouthed with despair, horror. and deep sadness. As professionals, when we first see the child, the protocol is BELIEVE THE CHILD FROM THE BEGINNING. Gathering evidence comes later.
1. Therapeutic teams assess, treat, liaise and put together a package of care and support which puts the child front and centre. These include clinicians, educational support, psychologists etc. Team members perform full reports, including police referrals if/when urgently required. The child is NOT the villain.
2. The team meets regularly with the child and their parent/guardian to monitor and ensure progress is being made, based upon improvement in the quality of life for the child. The team meets in full, with no missing memmbers.
3. The treatment plan is agreed and signed-off ONLY when ALL therapists and the child, plus parent/guardian, give full consent.
4. Therapeutic support continues for as long as clinically required, which could be until the child reaches the age of 16. This is the policy in my health district, and elsewhere in my country. 
5. The comments that you posted are bizarre, especially given that it is clear that Dylan Farrow was clearly let down by several 'professionals' who didn't even bother to see or examine her.
6. I once nursed a child whose father had intercourse with her after making her sign a 'consent form'! She was nine years of age! If you think that seeing a nine year old child's knickers full of pus is acceptable- please swap places with me, because I still haven't recovered from the sight of it. He used that excuse in court  and I am so relieved to say that he was imprisoned for ten years. 
7. Wikipedia is NOT another version of a medical book/encyclopedia. Anything written there is not exactly 'research material'. 
I didn't want to post my comment, especially point 6, but you gave me no other choice. If you think that child, or other abuse, is straight forward- try and spend an hour inside my head. It has seen the best of humanity, but it has also seen the very worst that one human being is capable of doing to another.
I ALSO BELIEVE DYLAN FARROW. I ALSO RESPECT HER INCREDIBLE BROTHER RONAN.

[loftybike]

I believe Dylan.
A man who sleeps with the barealy out of her teens daughter of his girlfriend he'd seen grown up since she was 10, leaves nudes of her so that her mother finds them and downpans this outrageousness to "the heart wants what it wants" - that man has no decency, no moral and certainly no boundaries. WA is a predator.

[constancespry]

I was wondering who this chubby old lady with a huge tote was, now I know. 

[waterslide]

Jun 29, 2022 7:06:44 GMT chaz said:

At the house they had friends, babysitter, French tutor and more. Not really the occasion to abuse a child.

I'm curious. What exactly would be the occasion to abuse a child?  It happened to me at a family gathering in a very crowded restaurant with my parents feet away and other diners and waitstaff present.  It wasn't anything as bad as what happened (~allegedly~) to Dylan, but it still very much happened and no one else had a clue. Two other people I know were continuously molested by a family member during family holiday gatherings.  I don't know where you learned that child sex abuse only happens in private seclusion with no one around, but that is misinformation.  

[cornflakegrl]

And also Dylan was not "in therapy" at Yale. She was sent there to be evaluated for her ability to testify. She was a little girl. Of course she might have difficulty expressing herself and/or use imaginative terms for things like wigs in the attic.

Yale however had a Dr. who never saw Dylan or Mia issue some kind of written statement regarding the veracity of the abuse claim. THAT WASN'T THE POINT OF THE EVALUATION! So this doctor oversteps by commenting on the abuse allegations and he never even saw or spoke with Dylan. That's not "one expert v another" that's got powerful celeb stink all over it.

Then Allen, takes it upon himself, to hold a press conference with this unsupported, not ordered, evaluation by one man who didn't actually evaluate shit, and declare his innocence. Why did Allen even have that "report?" The prosecutors hired Yale. How does the defendant get a copy of it before anyone else (I could be wrong there but I believe Allen held a press conference before the prosecution even had it). I mean come on. That report, imo, is completely debunked.

I believe Dylan.

Also, Allen is a creepy narc. Who the fuck has to go to therapy to work out their "inappropriate obsession" with their toddler?

[Pixie]

Jun 29, 2022 18:17:54 GMT cornflakegrl said:

I believe Dylan.

Also, Allen is a creepy narc. Who the fuck has to go to therapy to work out their "inappropriate obsession" with their toddler?

yep, one major red flag after the other. 

[trixie]

And, as if what he did to Dylan and Soon-Yi weren't enough, he and Soon-Yi adopted two girls. I shudder to think what their childhoods were like with that man.

[eatsleepbeer]

Jun 29, 2022 16:20:37 GMT loftybike said:

I believe Dylan.
A man who sleeps with the barealy out of her teens daughter of his girlfriend he'd seen grown up since she was 10, leaves nudes of her so that her mother finds them and downpans this outrageousness to "the heart wants what it wants" - that man has no decency, no moral and certainly no boundaries. WA is a predator.

Omg I can't believe I forgot about the nude photos!!  He's a sick fucker.  

[faithanne]

Jun 29, 2022 10:18:33 GMT chaz said:

Sounds like they were all interviewed numerous time. This is from wikipedia:

"The clinic's professionals met with the police and Maco for preliminary information. Between September 18 and November 13 they conducted nine separate interviews with Dylan and her mother. On October 14 they interviewed Groteke, and between November 17 and January 7 they had three interviews with Allen. Finally, they met with Farrow to review the recording she had made of Dylan between August 5 and 6. Berge, the other nanny present on August 4, was also interviewed, as were the two psychotherapists treating the children, Coates and Nancy Schultz.[80][81] The Child Sexual Abuse Clinic medical director, Dr. John M. Leventhal, signed the team's report while Dylan was interviewed by the social workers.[81][18] Completed in March 1993, the report concluded: "It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen."[c]

This is what I mean by saying different experts say different things. Contradictory reports entered in court etc. This is why I wouldn't say definitely the abuse did or didn't happened.

Did you watch the documentary series? All of this was covered in great detail.

[kittylady]

I believe Dylan.

Edit to add: This picture of Allen hugging his adopted daughters (which is part of a series of pap pictures of them out so it was likely for the camera) has always stuck with me. Look at their body language. That's more than "Ewww! Parents!" guardedness there (JMHO).

[chaz]

Those 2 daughters are both on Instagram if you want better photos than a pap shot.

[waterslide]

TFW people bring up credible counterpoints and the other person deflects with a weak comeback because they've been outargued.

[no]

so we have someone posting here who's transphobic and a child abuse denier all at once?  that's gonna be a big assed fucking yikes from me.