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Post by sputnik on Mar 19, 2022 22:52:37 GMT
Not to defend the monarchy but if that company was able to sack all those workers without consequence, it’s because British law allows it and it’s not the royals who pass laws, it’s the government. And this article just seems stupidly inflammatory and intended to misdirect people’s anger away from right wing politicians and onto an institution that has many faults but doesn’t have any real political power. You need stronger trade unions, not for a dumb spoiled useless prince to intervene.
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Post by no1novice on Mar 20, 2022 0:26:42 GMT
Not to defend the monarchy but if that company was able to sack all those workers without consequence, it’s because British law allows it and it’s not the royals who pass laws, it’s the government. And this article just seems stupidly inflammatory and intended to misdirect people’s anger away from right wing politicians and onto an institution that has many faults but doesn’t have any real political power. You need stronger trade unions, not for a dumb spoiled useless prince to intervene. That’s the whole point. British law does *not* allow it. The action is illegal as is the £2/hour wages they are proposing for the new staff. |
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Post by kittylady on Mar 20, 2022 2:34:52 GMT
Not to defend the monarchy but if that company was able to sack all those workers without consequence, it’s because British law allows it and it’s not the royals who pass laws, it’s the government. And this article just seems stupidly inflammatory and intended to misdirect people’s anger away from right wing politicians and onto an institution that has many faults but doesn’t have any real political power. You need stronger trade unions, not for a dumb spoiled useless prince to intervene. That’s the whole point. British law does *not* allow it. The action is illegal as is the £2/hour wages they are proposing for the new staff. I think there's some loophole about only having to pay them what the employer/minimum wage in their country of origin says they are due. Therefore if the agency employing them is in, say, Estonia, then they get paid the amount set by that agency for that country. It's a massive scam. |
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Post by sputnik on Mar 20, 2022 2:59:10 GMT
Not to defend the monarchy but if that company was able to sack all those workers without consequence, it’s because British law allows it and it’s not the royals who pass laws, it’s the government. And this article just seems stupidly inflammatory and intended to misdirect people’s anger away from right wing politicians and onto an institution that has many faults but doesn’t have any real political power. You need stronger trade unions, not for a dumb spoiled useless prince to intervene. That’s the whole point. British law does *not* allow it. The action is illegal as is the £2/hour wages they are proposing for the new staff. I still fail to see how that’s on the royal family, if the company did something illegal. Why isn’t the government going after them if it’s true they broke the law? And if they didn’t break the law, then the law i needs to be changed and the royals can’t do that. But in either scenario I’m not seeing why william the ones being called on to do something about it? |
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Post by Sarzy on Mar 20, 2022 7:03:12 GMT
^ I agree. This has nothing to do with William. The government needs to do something.
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Post by no1novice on Mar 20, 2022 7:16:54 GMT
I think that they want him to apply pressure/leverage & use his personal relationship.
Haven't they done it before? Trying to get the RF to use their personal relationships to smooth diplomatic things?
Also isn’t part of the justification of the RF that they represent the UK abroad (Bill’s football stuff) or is that just when it’s convenient to the RF?
I first saw this in the pro-RF daily fail which surprised me.
Kitty - yes & it is still disgusting.
Re UK Employment Law. I have heard it proposed that P&O will just pay the fine for illegal actions & keep the new crews.
I don’t know what the UK Govt can do (there is the fine) - and I already know that they will not. Not this govt.
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Post by sputnik on Mar 20, 2022 10:51:54 GMT
I thought the royals were supposed to stay out of politics and not express opinions about stuff like this? Wasn’t that one of the reasons people hated Meghan markle so much? She was outspoken and dared voice opinions, and used her platform to do it like with the magazine she guest edited. Ironic that one of the same rags that bitched about her for that now wants the future king to use his power to influence current events and do something that they would have crucified markle for if she had been the one to do it…
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Post by no1novice on Mar 20, 2022 12:29:01 GMT
I thought the royals were supposed to stay out of politics and not express opinions about stuff like this? Wasn’t that one of the reasons people hated Meghan markle so much? She was outspoken and dared voice opinions, and used her platform to do it like with the magazine she guest edited. Ironic that one of the same rags that bitches about her found that now wants the future king to do something that they would have crucified markle for if she had been the one to do it… Charles has been “dabbling” for a while tbh. But yeah, MM&H would be crucified as with the Govt/“private” jet….. |
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Post by kittylady on Mar 20, 2022 20:45:22 GMT
I thought the royals were supposed to stay out of politics and not express opinions about stuff like this? Wasn’t that one of the reasons people hated Meghan markle so much? She was outspoken and dared voice opinions, and used her platform to do it like with the magazine she guest edited. Ironic that one of the same rags that bitches about her found that now wants the future king to do something that they would have crucified markle for if she had been the one to do it… Charles has been “dabbling” for a while tbh. But yeah, MM&H would be crucified as with the Govt/“private” jet….. Meghan is the wrong shade to be allowed to have an opinion. |
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Post by no1novice on Mar 20, 2022 23:41:16 GMT
Charles has been “dabbling” for a while tbh. But yeah, MM&H would be crucified as with the Govt/“private” jet….. Meghan is the wrong shade to be allowed to have an opinion. And female, don’t forget female. |
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Post by czb on Mar 21, 2022 14:56:28 GMT
and american. american femail is probably worse for some people than her color ....
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Post by ❤️ NickiDrea ❤️ on Mar 21, 2022 22:17:08 GMT
Associated Press Associated Press Jamaicans shun UK royal visit, demand slavery reparations By DÁNICA COTO, Associated Press - 1h ago SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — Dozens of well-known leaders in Jamaica including professors and politicians are demanding an apology and slavery reparations as the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge prepare for a trip to the former British colony. The group is rejecting the visit of Prince William and Kate scheduled for Tuesday, part of a larger trip to the Caribbean region that coincides with the 60th anniversary of Jamaica’s independence and the 70th anniversary of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II. “We see no reason to celebrate 70 years of the ascension of your grandmother to the British throne because her leadership, and that of her predecessors, have perpetuated the greatest human rights tragedy in the history of humankind,” read a letter published Sunday ahead of the couple’s visit and signed by 100 Jamaican leaders. The weeklong royal tour of Central America and the Caribbean that began on Saturday was taken at the behest of the queen, who is William’s grandmother. The trip aims to strengthen Britain’s ties with Commonwealth countries, but it’s off to a rocky start and comes as some countries consider cutting ties to the monarchy like the eastern Caribbean island of Barbados did in November. Local opposition forced the royal couple to cancel a visit to a cacao farm in Belize that was planned for Saturday, while the upcoming trip to Jamaica has angered some who say they are still waiting for an apology and slavery reparations. Jamaica lawmaker Mike Henry, who has long led an effort to obtain reparations that he estimates at more than 7 billion pounds, told The Associated Press in a phone interview that an apology is only the first step for what he described as “abuse of human life and labor.” “An apology really admits that there is some guilt,” he said. Hundreds of thousands of African slaves toiled in Jamaica under more than 300 years of British rule and faced brutal conditions. There were numerous bloody rebellions, with one woman called “Queen Nanny” leading a group of formerly enslaved Africans known as Jamaican Maroons whose guerrilla warfare became renown and battered British forces. “Queen Nanny” remains the sole female of Jamaica’s eight national heroes. During their two-day stay in Jamaica, Prince William and Kate are expected to celebrate Bob Marley’s legacy, a move that also has riled some Jamaicans. “As a Rastafarian, Bob Marley embodied advocacy and is recognized globally for the principles of human rights, equality, reparations and repatriation,” stated the letter of those demanding an apology. The group said that it would be celebrating 60 years of freedom from Britain, adding that it is saddened “that more progress has not been made given the burden of our colonial inheritance. We nonetheless celebrate the many achievements of great Jamaicans who rejected negative, colonial self-concepts and who self-confidently succeeded against tremendous odds. We will also remember and celebrate our freedom fighters.” apnews.com/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-entertainment-royalty-prince-william-puerto-rico-958a39295b1ab6ac2f24f615b10bcf9——————————— I wonder if they will cancel their visit, this is a mess. |
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Post by lindsaywhit on Mar 21, 2022 22:44:02 GMT
Damn, they went into this trip a little more than usually tone-deaf, didn't they?
Maybe that's the wrong way to put it. They've always been massively tone-deaf. They didn't understand that the rest of the world has been watching their massively off-putting way of dealing with uncomfortable truths and isn't willing to pretend anymore.
And Bill and Cathy are the "popular" royals. It might not be fair, but I can't help wondering what kind of reception Meghan and Harry would have gotten on this same trip.
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Post by no1novice on Mar 22, 2022 6:45:36 GMT
Yes I do think that MM&H would have had the same issues (given that it is about colonialism) but probably would have handled it differently- ie less smug, less comments from Cathy about having another tax drain I mean baby since that appears to be her shtick to divert attention); at least MM would have shown empathy.
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Post by Sarzy on Mar 22, 2022 8:10:45 GMT
The Queen is using a wheelchair and is cancelling engagements because she is 'proud' and 'doesn't want to be seen' struggling, Christopher Biggins has claimed. Speaking on GB News this morning, the panto star said: 'It's so very sad and I hope she is able to make her anniversary celebrations. 'I have heard that the reason she's not doing a lot of the events that she should be doing and cancelling them is because she is in a wheelchair. 'She doesn't want to be seen because she's very proud.' It comes after reports Buckingham Palace has a meticulously orchestrated 'military-style' plan to take the Queen, 95, to Prince Philip's memorial service next week. The operation is said to include flying Her Majesty from Windsor Castle to Buckingham Palace by helicopter, transporting her by car, and using a private screen to shield her from photographers. www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10636195/amp/Queen-using-wheelchair-Christopher-Biggins-claims.htmlNot sure how or why Christopher Biggins would know this.. |
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